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If The Earth Was Millions Of Years Old, There Should Be A Lot More Topsoil
Evolutionist say that the world is millions of years old yet scientist estimate that with erosion and the breakdown of plants that about 6 inches of topsoil is formed over 5-20,000 years. Most of the land on the earth has only about 7-8 inches of topsoil. Shouldn't there be much much more?
 momof3  15 May 2008 02:58
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Good point. In that long of a time we should all be under water.
 
 created  15 Sep 2008 02:18
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It's hiding....
 
 jimvach  15 Aug 2008 08:47
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After thinking about this more, I'm not convinced.

"(there is a maximum depth to it determined by climate, ground composition, slope, and local ecology)."

Erosion removes the soil, what else would do this? How does climate determine maximum depth? How does ground composition change the amount of topsoil? Are there no places on this earth where erosion does not happen? Do those places have a "slope"? "Cause I'm thinking slope = erosion. In those areas, what is it about the "local ecology" that could remove top soil (where erosion is not a factor) and how?
 
 momof3  15 May 2008 03:54
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 I’ll quote a few explanations from Dr. Hovind concerning such a subject as this one.

“Geologically speaking, any given patch of land is seldom in equilibrium for long. Either it is collecting sediment or being eroded away, usually the latter. Suppose it collects sediment. Water-borne sediment will be washed in from higher ground, perhaps hills and mountains hundreds of miles away. Such sediment, even if from nearby hills, would normally carry very little organic material as the weathering slopes, themselves, would not have much to begin with. Sediment, in the form of dust, would normally come from very dry areas where organic material would be quickly oxidized. The sediment added to our patch of land may be great for building new soil, but if it accumulates too quickly it will merely bury the existing soil. The soil-making process would have to start over. In any case, the old topsoil, now compressed and deeply buried by sediment and soil, is no longer turned over by earthworms or small animals. It is deprived of oxygen and fresh organic material, such as rotting leaves. It is no longer a paradise for bacteria, and fungi. What organic material it did have is often lost by decay and slow oxidation. (Peat bogs and coal-forming swamps are an exception, but we would not count them as topsoils. Under unusual conditions a layer of topsoil can be "fossilized," even to the point of preserving the three-dimensional shape of tree leaves, as is the case at Yellowstone National Park.) In the long run, buried sediments are usually cemented into sedimentary rock, which brings us back to the beginning of this cycle. Thus, topsoil does not accumulate like most sediment, by simply piling up.”

“In the case of erosion, the topsoil, of course, is removed. This is usually the fate of every plot of land which remains above sea level long enough. Large areas of Canada, for instance, have been eroded down to the Precambrian basement rock! The geologic history of the strata making up the Grand Canyon is as much a history of erosion as it is of deposition! Consequently, a patch of soil cannot be older than the last local erosion--whenever that might have been. Forget about billions of years of soil accumulation!”

“Where sediment is neither being collected nor eroded, soils necessarily take their mineral components from the underlying parent rock. As more and more of that rock is weathered by the mechanical effects of freezing and thawing, the chemical and mechanical action of roots, or by other means, the soil is deepened. However, the deeper that soil gets, the more insulated the parent rock becomes to weathering. Fewer roots now reach the parent rock, and, in the bottom layers, the organic content of the soil is greatly reduced. That means less chemical weathering from bacteria and fungi. Sudden changes in temperature will have a smaller effect on the deeper parent rock. With the exception of the organic content, drawn mostly from the atmosphere, and the larger volume that broken rock takes up (which may raise the soil some distance above the original surface), in situ soils build downwards. Consequently, there is a practical limit to how deep the soil can get even if erosion never occurs. The accumulating humus will also reach an equilibrium, when new material balances that lost by decay and oxidation. (Topsoil is full of microbes that love to munch away on organic material, and don't forget the earthworms. Those earthworms don't get their calories from rock and clay!)”

“In summary, we're dealing with a dynamic and continuing cycle of topsoil formation and destruction, including periods of equilibrium, not a one-way accumulation of topsoil.”

I hope this clears things up.
by  Hizashi
 15 May 2008 04:51
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Bearing in mind that soil is created by the elements wearing away at rocks which mix with decaying plant life to create a mixture of decient nutrient content. How do we know there was that much rock here, if there was meant to be more topsoil
 
 Tromanator  22 Sep 2008 14:28
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The earth is around 4.5 billion years old, and life began only 3,500 million years ago. When i say life i mean green blue algae. It took green blue algae about 1500 million years to create enough oxygen suitable for other living things. So perhaps that may be a factor in the lack of topsoil. Another factor that diminishes topsoil is high pressure which causes topsoil to form into sedimentary rock after millions of years. Climate and geographic conditioning also greatly affects the amount of topsoil.
 
 verum  04 Aug 2008 15:26
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Topsoil is washed into rivers and seas, and seabeds can be very think.
 
 Snipex  21 Jul 2008 13:35
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The Earth is billions, not millions of years old. I don't see why there should be a certain amount of topsoil.
 
 Mark  15 May 2008 17:44
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 because rain washes away topsoil.
by  created
 15 Sep 2008 02:17
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Obviously you don't go to the library much and not at all to the science lab.

Sedimentary rocks of today are made up of what was once topsoil millions of years ago and was compressed into rock by time and pressure.
 
 K9  15 May 2008 05:22
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 And I guess you spend all day in the library and some book has taught you that you are a know-it-all? Maybe you should read less books in that case!

And are other busy adults visiting science labs? Can you tell me where 'cause yes, I would like to myself. Are there secret labs outside of schools that I'm unaware of...or does your library come complete with it's own science lab?
by  momof3
 15 May 2008 05:27
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I haven't seen this Young-Earth argument in a while. But nonetheless, let me try to explain something to you. Simply because a patch of topsoil takes X centuries to build up doesn't mean that the land is X centuries old. Most likely, that topsoil began to build up only recently, geologically speaking, and has either reached a practical limit to its depth or has been subject to erosion. Soil gets eroded as well as built up, so the average depth does not mean much at all. Where soil does exist under steady conditions, it does not build up continuously (there is a maximum depth to it determined by climate, ground composition, slope, and local ecology). To outline the general point, the depth of soil shows very little about its overall age (much less the Earth's age).
 
 Hizashi  15 May 2008 03:09
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 Thanks, I got a lot more of these when I get time. That makes sense but not because I want to be an atheist or anything, I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from and why some scientist need everything to be so exact and proven.
by  momof3
 15 May 2008 03:33
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