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| If It's Consensual And Between Human Adults, Then It Should Be Allowed |
| Things that fall under the category of consensual (not including legally mentally unable to consent, being suicidal counts as not being in your right mind) and between human adults(over age of consent): Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Incest, Polygamy that is agreed upon by all involved parties, Three/Foursomes, most fetishes (not including voyeurism and exhibitionism, and a few others) etc.
Things that aren't included: Pedophilia, Zoophilia (you can't prove consent), Necrophilia, etc.
Please be civil and I'd prefer it if you provided something other than religious doctrine and personal beliefs as evidence. Morality counts as personal beliefs. |
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It's the way I look at it. |
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I would have to agree as I simply don't see why not. There is the issue with incest and birth
defects which needs to be observed but so long as the couple(or more) take this into account, I
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Why not?
Oh, by morality is (mostly) a matter of opinion: Morals are sets of social standards that everyone's
expected to follow (what's taboo, what's not really cared that much about, and what's encouraged).
Different groups will obviously have different morals. What's moral for, let's say, a fundamentalist
Christian, might not necessarily be moral for everyone else.
On the subject of the children of people in incestuous relationships having defects: Well, then pass
laws regulating the options available to heterosexual related couples! Genetic screening can be done
to determine if there's a risk of the child being born defective. They can just not have kids,
adopt, or have the eggs fertilized in a lab and checked for genetic problems before being inserted
into the mother's womb.
To Jakers and people who agree with him: Being suicidal counts as not being in your right mind. Also
the wish 'to die the most painful death possible' would probably have you declared mentally unable
to consent in a court of law.
On things like polygamy, if everyone involved has full knowledge of what's going on and consents,
then what's the problem? If you have a personal issue with it, then by all means stick to monogamy
for yourself, but just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean other people shouldn't be allowed
to.
There's so many arguments for homosexuality... Too late at night and my fingers are too tired to
type them all out... |
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Whatever the practice, it's the *consent* that matters. Even with something like incest, if there is
clear consent between the involved parties then I'd say it's OK. I'm ignoring the issue of any
potential children from any act - because that affects lives/potential lives that are unable to
consent (this, I assume, is why you've excluded exhibitionism and voyeurism from the "consenting
adults" list). |
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I second Innomen's comments.
I don't like the idea of incest either. I find it sick, I have been to the Isle of Wight and seen
the consequences, but think I might have a hard time arguing my case if it was between 2 consenting
adults. As long as all concerned are adults and consenting then anything goes. |
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This pushes my libertarian principles to the extreme. I don't necessarily agree that morality is a
matter of opinion, but i don't find it relevant in law. I am glad that you had some exclusions, and
really the one that makes me squirm so much is the incest, not crazy about polygamy either.
However, i am willing to put up with a lot to keep a free society free, although at some point i may
regret it. |
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Some people need limits; others can do without because they will not go crazy even if everything is
permissible between consenting adults.
To remove all limits would mean that suicide would be acceptable as well as cannibalism, incest,
etc.
I'm not sure it would be a great idea... |
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For many years I was a card carrying libertarian and believed pretty much anything goes, between
consenting adults, or anything goes with oneself i.e legalized drugs, etc.
At the time, I barely acknowledged the "minimalist ethic"--that is if it doesn't hurt anyone else,
it's OK.
Since then I have learned, sometimes the hard way, that the things we do impact others in ways we
have no idea about. The "bad" things I have done, under my banner "it's OK as long as it doesn't
hurt someone else", is a lie, because I had no idea how many of my actions adversely impacted others
and hurt them. So, I would only agree with it's OK between two "consenting adults", if they can say
they know the entire impact of their actions on others. Since this is impossible, I would have to
say I disagree. |
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Relationships in which one partner has acted as parent or guardian to the other during the latter's
childhood years should be forbidden by law. In that case, the parent could have brainwashed the
child and the child may be unable to make objective judgements, even when the age of adulthood is
reached.
To take an extreme example, the person in a position of influence could have instilled in the
child's mind the view that he or she is a living god and the child's role is to serve the god. With
cults, we have seen that brainwashing is possible even with adults. How much easier is it,
therefore, with children whose world can be entirely shaped by the parent or the parent substitute.
It's also an accepted fact of nature that a sexual union between two partners who are genetically
related is more likely to produce babies with birth defects. Therefore any incestuous relationship
which can produce offspring should be forbidden. |
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If that were to be passed, then it would make such atrocities like the story of the two men that met
over the Internet legal. One wanted to eat a man and the other wanted to die the most painful death
possible. Needless to say, both of them got their wish. While I am aware that cases such as these
are obscure at best, it would still make it completely legit. |
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