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If God Could Be Proved By Science It Would At The Same Time Prove That It Was Neither Omnipotent Nor Omniscient.

Science can only define what is bound by the laws of the natural universe. If god is bound by the laws of the natural world then it has limits.

finsch

01 Oct 2009 17:20

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Instead of trying to prove everything by math and science, try to love everyone through love and peace, for this world is so limited and imperfect, and yet we can always find beauty of God everywhere.

joylove101

02 Oct 2009 02:11

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wow love and peace isnt enough it never has been.

ricko362

17 Jan 2010 00:59

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Very good. A perfect eternal God being proven by science is about the stupidest thing imaginable.

It's really the beauty of it. To think of how awesome the observable universe is and that it is nothing but a hint.

justsumguy

02 Oct 2009 00:00

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If a god can be detected by science, in any fashion, then it wouldn't be one of supernatural origin.

Hizashi

01 Oct 2009 22:05

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So you are stating that science is now supernatural. WELL DONE HIZASHI, that must definitley be one of the brightest most transcendental statements ever made on this site!

LordDaniel

02 Oct 2009 14:21

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Sounds quite logical to me. If we could put our finger directly on it and/or measure it and/or understand it through scientific principles then it would cease to be such a wonder.

Grenache

01 Oct 2009 20:41

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You can't have it both ways. Now if you wish to propose god as a being with specific properties and characteristics then perhaps we could develop a scientific method by which it could be proven to exist or not.

finsch

01 Oct 2009 19:07

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"Specific: adj. belonging or relating uniquely to a particular subject."
Very well, the properties of God, all of them, al uniquely granted to Him alone. Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnibenevolence. "Science" as you refer to it, is not a neutral enterprise as you may pretend, for every interpretation of "facts" is only done through the grid of a previously existing worldview.

davidsuggs

01 Oct 2009 23:51

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I am not bound by your laws. I break the rules and make them up as i please.

God

09 Oct 2009 23:27

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God is Transcendent. He cannot be understood by natural laws. He is totally different from His creation. The only way we can know anything about Him is if He chooses to reveal it.

God is Omnipotent and Omniscient. One attribute that He most certainly is NOT is omnipresent, because that would contradict His Transcendence.

Islam has the purest monotheism.

IdeasMan

02 Oct 2009 13:24

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So you agree that science is not a good way to prove something like that.

finsch

02 Oct 2009 13:55

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Ok...this made no sense at all. First, you say that God is totally different than His creation. Then you say the only way to know about Him is if He reveals it. Then you say science can prove God exists. Then you use ID as the example and ID has nothing to do with science, absolutely nothing. Any goofy attempts to prove it has anything to do with science have proven that it has nothing to do with science. It’s all nonsense.

First off, you are partly correct. The universe is not God. Then you are wrong because God created persons and persons are not a part of the universe. It’s why science can’t prove they exist. It can prove their bodies exist. It can prove all universal bodies exist because those bodies are physically observable.

I agree with your statement that the only way to know about God is if He reveals Himself.

The notion that God can be proven by this imperfect universe is folly. It also leads those who fall into its trap away from the truth. When people are lured away from the truth their thought processes start cascading into nonsense.

The proof of God is in our souls. It is in our persons. This is why building temples is folly. This is why we are admonished to present ourselves in truth and love. We are the proof. And no, I’m not talking about our noses.

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When you go into a cave and find things that glow in the dark or have no eyes do you think that is proof that the cave was designed for those creatures or that those creatures adapted to the cave. Additionally, stronger proof doesn't exist because you would find it more convenient to you philosophy. Proof either exists or does not, and the physical universe holds no proof of the supernatural. Do you know the difference between proof and evidence? The big ball of fire that crosses the heavens each day gives us quite a bit of evidence. Many ancient religions interpreted what of this evidence they were able to gather to mean a god of some type carried a giant wad of flame of some type across the sky each day, sometimes to die at the end of the day and be born again in the morning. That is what the evidence showed them. Since then we have gathered much more of the suns evidence and used it to assemble proofs that the sun is actually a huge fusion reaction at the center of our solar system. Now to you the universe may provide evidence of a creator and I certainly have no way to disprove that but it does not provide physical proofs of a creator.

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