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Hate Crime Enhancements Are Unjust In The United States.
New resolution. Let me hear your views on this one. Hate crime enhancement means punishing more severely for crimes done out of a prejudice. Basically, lynching would get a greater punishment that typical homocide.
 davidsuggs  17 Feb 2008 02:30
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I would just like to point out that those in favor of categorizing crimes as "hate crimes" typically come from the left. The reason is simple. If it is a "hate crime" it's victim is a community, not an individual. The more victims the left can "protect", the better.

It's rather obvious, look at just about every political position the left takes...

The poor are victims of the rich
Minorities are victims of majorities
Women are victims of men
Workers are victims of business
The world is a victim of the US

They are always being wronged. They are always crying for equality and justice. They are always entitled. Things are never fair.

The notion of a "hate crime" is a farce. It is a mythical idea created to inflame racial tensions, push a glbt agenda, and in the end put control in the hands of the minority over the majority.
 
 Cons_Lies  15 Aug 2008 03:06
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The term "hate crime" is redundant in itself. Would you purposefully kill someone you didn't like? Also, why is it more of an offense when a white person kills a black man for his racial views its a hate crime, but if a black man were to kill a white person because of his racial views its only a homicide? Hypocracy runs rampant in our justice system.
 
 cstrand31  12 Apr 2008 09:03
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 That's ridiculous. Blacks can be charged with hate crimes just as anyone else can. That's what makes EQUALITY work for the neg in this resolution. Hate crimes are able to be received by any member of society not just whites or men or whatever.
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 14 Apr 2008 21:01
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When allowing some one to be punished more severely you are being a uncontrolled power because all crime is fueled by hate that's why their is crime, but also who decides when a crime is a hate crime and how much more punishment do they deserve for doing the crime to lets say a black as opposed to committing the crime to a white.

When looking at murder the finial out come is death so does it matter if you target them because of their religion, race, etc.

If so then it creates a world when no body knows how to punish someone because they don't know if it is a hate crime or not. Also when having hate crime enhancements you are defeating the purpose because you are using hatred to punish a hate crime by giving them unessacary time. For these reasons there is no way hate crime could be just.
 
 jonesjon  08 Apr 2008 23:48
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Its all death anyway. If two guys kill another and they both get the death penalty ones black and ones white and the black guy is sentenced to being stretched to death while the white gets deadly injection. Is that fair? No. Did they both die in the end? Yes.
 
 Smito  04 Aug 2008 23:19
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 I think you should be on the other side then if you are saying that one should not be punished differently for the same crime
by  davidsuggs
 04 Aug 2008 23:22
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No.

All murder is what it is: Murder.
Cannot hang a man twice: One has only ONE life......
Cannot take it twice.
Taking one life does not bring back the dead innocent either, while we are at this, is it right for the State to be in the lynching business?.......I mean, fair is fair, correct?
If it is wrong for citizens to kill then why empower the Government to do the same thing?

Either killing is wrong or it isn't.
Be consistent in theory and practice.
 
 Scorpion  02 Aug 2008 09:06
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 How do we so easily forget these most basic distinctions? GUILT and INNOCENCE. Killing is wrong... IF it is killing an innocent person. killing is right... IF it is killing of one who is deserving of such. Murder is Murder, but that is a far cry from killing. Murder means taking an innocent persons life, or taking the life of someone without the authority to do so. Being consistent in theory and practice is right, that's why we should apply the categories of guilty and innocence before deciding to kill someone.
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 04 Aug 2008 23:14
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It should also be noted that most victims of a hate crime are innocent by-standers. If man A kills his wife and man B hates black people and kills one, which is a greater danger to society? Man A is done, man B has half the population to go.
 
 username  14 Apr 2008 21:04
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Hate crimes should be punished more severely, because unlike when an assault is committed against an individual for other reasons, a crime against someone based on their race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation serves as a threat to an entire community. The danger is that if those who engage in hate-motivated crimes are not appropriately punished, others may interpret this is an indication that there are no serious consequences for taking part in these activities.

On the other hand, I would also argue that the US criminal justice system is very deeply flawed, in that it has been created in such a way as to favour the prosecution from the start, leaving defendants at a distinct disadvantage. This has consequences for all those trying to defend themselves against any allegation, including hate-related crimes.
 
 mackenzie  17 Feb 2008 14:06
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I think killing someone because they are a member of a group you despise is indeed more evil than killing someone for most other reasons. So I think it's reasonable that this kind of offence attracts a higher sentence. However, I don't see that there has to be any legislative basis for this. Surely it is already within a judge's discretion to impose a harsher sentence for any crime depending on his assessment of the circumstances surrounding it?
 
 Hidell  17 Feb 2008 06:26
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