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Good And Evil Do Not Exist, And Are Merely Abstract Concepts Created By Humankind.
This debate's been posted countless times before, but there's a twist this time. If you can convince me that I'm incorrect, I will make a cake in the shape of the debate title and literally eat my own words. And then I'll vote "Against". (Edit: I mean they have no objective existence. They have to exist outside our personal opinions before I'll start baking.)
 Occultdude  03 Jul 2011 16:47
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I agree- there is only LOVE
 
 jmj0ker  17 Mar 2013 20:41
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I would change the title for this posting to "Good and evil do not exist, and are merely abstract concepts created by the human mind" as opposed to humankind. We use them in essence as conceptual metaphors and associate concepts such as time, the idea of good and evil to tangible realities in our lives however it's just that, concepts of good, evil and time are INTANGIBLE and therefore this posting is correct to say that they do not exist due to them being indefinable.
 
 schambers  14 Jan 2012 17:11
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Like the Yin Yang sign, there is always a little bit of good in a bad person and a little bit of bad in a good person.
 
 erickwon35  07 Jul 2011 23:29
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Well OD I agree with you kind of - although when the right conditions arise good and evil motivations put into action can be quite tangible! Supposing someone came up with a killer argument I have to ask you - only one cake? Its quite a long title
 
 damselfly  05 Jul 2011 00:58
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 The challenge of making just the one cake should be fun. From the responses so far, it looks like I won't have to make it.
by  Occultdude
 05 Jul 2011 18:01
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I would say, yes. Referring to what Melissa23 has said,I can just say that sometimes waging war against something may be seen as 'good' and sometimes not waging war can be seen as 'evil'. It is extremely subjective on where one stands. Where one stands would in a way 'create' how and why we see things as good or bad.
 
 ayudel  05 Jul 2011 00:45
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 that part of the history make me believe in good and evil as yes it could be the other way round but i still believe it exists.
by  Melissa23
 05 Jul 2011 01:05
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What you think of "good" maybe viewed as evil by someone else

so yes it is an abstract concept
 
 Libertar  04 Jul 2011 05:55
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Funny how everything just seems to fall into place, and make perfect sense, if one will just entertain the idea that we're animals. Smart ones, for the most part, but essentially no different.
 
 Ballsalsa  03 Jul 2011 17:46
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 From Merriam-Webster: "any of a kingdom (Animalia) of living things including many-celled organisms and often many of the single-celled ones (as protozoans) that typically differ from plants in having cells without cellulose walls, in lacking chlorophyll and the capacity for photosynthesis, in requiring more complex food materials (as proteins), in being organized to a greater degree of complexity, and in having the capacity for spontaneous movement and rapid motor responses to stimulation."

Not sure if humans fall under the Animalia kingdom, but I'd agree with you. We're just more complex.
by  Damien
 05 Jul 2011 10:30
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Good and evil, on the most primitive and primal levels, was probably created by the first mammals who grouped together. The main strength of mammals in an evolutionary sense is that they developed empathy with for others of their kind which led to an unheard of range of communication. Communication that allowed near instantaneous behavioral adaptation. At least near instant in the context of evolutionary adaptation. Communication that could be taught to offspring.

So on a very simple level good was in the group (a mischief of mice, or a pack, herd, tribe, whatever), Evil was outside the group.

Perhaps we have turned them into abstract concepts, but they come from very practical, very effective roots.
 
 finsch  15 Jul 2011 09:47
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An honest atheist. On one thing, at least.

Should I really applaud him for justifying Hitler?

Morality can be objective only if there is a God or gods who make it so.
So my argument for objective morality is based on my argument for God, which is primarily that accidents can't create the great order in nature from scratch, as atheists must believe no matter what they say.

No matter how much time accidents get, they only bring to ruin in the end and overall.

Like erosion.

No atheist expects erosion to make a complex work of art.
Erosion can only destroy such art.
 
 Stranger  12 Jul 2011 17:14
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 Can you read? I've explained time and time and time again in our comment battles why Evolution is not an accident and why your erosion analogy fails miserably.

At any rate, God's views on what is and isn't acceptable behaviour are just as subjective as mine. And, like I said, if you can prove to me that I'm wrong then I'll make a cake in the shape of the title and eat my own words.
by  Occultdude
 12 Jul 2011 17:27
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Good and Evil is as much part of a person as his head or his heart. One can not exist without the other, but how does one explain it? It depends on everything you have been taught. People tend to miss use the concept to support themselves, that is what is confusing you.
 
 hugeisno1  08 Jul 2011 08:02
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I would think that Good and Evil were more subjective than objective, as in the concept of good and evil do exist, but the definition of what is good or evil varies from person to person. I tend to dislike the concept of evil more so than good because people who are gay could be evil, or men who wear dresses could be evil...when really its just their pursuit of happiness. Nothing evil about that.

But I do agree that humanity created such things as there isn't anything good or bad about a wolf eating a deer--that's just nature. Humanity would be the one to say that the deer died a horrible death and that it was so cute and left behind a litter of young deer.
 
 Damien  05 Jul 2011 10:28
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 From what I can see here, it looks like you voted on the wrong side.
by  Occultdude
 05 Jul 2011 22:24
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Good and Evil do exist, crime is evil, war is evil the people who start a war never wins it unless it is for a good cause and good is not starting a war and still winning it.

If you think of it in this point - Germany started a war twice to get France's part of the land and make it blood white but never wins, and France never started a war and defends his country still wins after loosing the battles but wins the war. Good is not starting the war in this part and Evil is starting a war with no real reason.
 
 Melissa23  04 Jul 2011 23:57
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 So your argument is that because the "good" side wins, that therefore good and evil are absolute terms? You do realise that the winners write the history books, right? And that it was actually the Allies who declared war on Germany?
by  Occultdude
 05 Jul 2011 22:23
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Your statement is a contradiction.

How can good and evil not exist if they are abstract concepts?

Good and evil do exist. Only as abstract concepts.

Better start preheating the oven.
 
 verum  03 Jul 2011 17:42
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 Let me rephrase: "They have no OBJECTIVE existence".

I'm not wasting cake mix on semantics.
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 03 Jul 2011 18:15
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