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With people so divided over evolution and creationism is it really so impossible to believe that maybe just maybe both sides could be equally right
 Shira  10 Aug 2008 16:09
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Of course they can.
 
 Cemetary  20 Nov 2009 12:43
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Not only do they co-exist, they go hand in hand. If there is a real God, that God knows that science rules. Scientific reality is God's own creation. God plays by God's own rules, and God's rules are SCIENCE!
 
 tinseldove  09 Feb 2009 23:15
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 Just wanted to add that what you say is true until the end of time at which point science will no longer be relative.
by  justsumguy
 10 Feb 2009 00:04
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God created the consistent, reliable and universal physical laws of science that we have discovered and will continue to discover, so how would it be possible for God and science not to co-exist? The famous and currently living biblical creation scientists who founded most of the traditional sciences that we enjoy today found no conflict between God and science. Their purpose was to discover the intricacies of God’s creation.

The implied but erroneous assumption in your question is that you are equating “evolution” with science. However, evolution is a religious or philosophical presupposition about an unprovable past which can neither be repeated nor tested by the scientific method. In that regard, it is no different than creation theory. Therefore, it does not fall under the realm of “operational science” which has given us medical breakthroughs and new technologies.

Both creation scientists and evolutionists accept the “facts” of science that we can test and observe. Among those are mutations, natural selection and rapid speciation. Creation scientists accept these as important cornerstones to creation theory which have enabled the originally created and genetically robust forms of life to have been able to diversify and spread over the earth in a “downhill” process of lessening genetic diversity and mutation.

The leap of faith that evolutionists expect people to believe without any observable evidence is that the diversity of life we see today originated in an “uphill” process which added insurmountable mountains of information and specified complexity to an original simple life form which itself arose from inorganic matter. All this, while breaking the scientific laws of biogenesis, probability and thermodynamics (which applies equally to both closed and open systems).

Science should be a search for the truth which is not necessarily a religiously held naturalistic or materialistic cause. The only way to know what happened for sure since no one alive today was there, is to have an eye-witness account. The creationists have this in the Bible which God gave to us so that we would know the truth. This is just as valid historical evidence as any other archeological finds which, by the way, all support the Bible’s version of history.

Since evolution is not based on sound scientific evidence or principles but rather on an atheistic religious belief, you should be asking “Can Evolution and Science Co-exist”. The answer would then be NO.
 
 raisemeup  11 Aug 2008 23:59
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 Why does the Origin Of Species not count as as valid an account of what happened as the Bible. Both are just books that claim to give the answers. One of course is based on scientific evidence and the other is ... well, The Bible. How could it have been an eyewitness account of how it all happened when it was written in the last 2000 years? How old do you think the earth is? You base your theory on a book, well in that case hobbits exist because it says so in the Lord of The Rings.

"The famous and currently living biblical creation scientists who founded most of the traditional sciences that we enjoy today" What? Still living? Who are they and how did they live to be 100s or 1000's of years old?

"Their purpose was to discover the intricacies of God’s creation" that for me says it all. They didn't set out to find the truth, the answer to how the world came to be as we see it, they set out to prove a pre-determined conclusion. That is not how science works. Creationists simply tweak the evidence to suit and disregard anything that doesn't fit.

The rest you mention is just the same stuff that is trotted out by creationists in a desperate attempt to halt science to rescue their beliefs. Why? I am not sure, perhaps because it is easier to do that than admit they have been wrong about blindly trusting an ancient book written by man.
by  Mosschops
 13 Aug 2008 13:43
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To me science is not evidence to disprove the existence of God but rather the revelation of His work.
Now, I am a creationist and I totally reject the THEORY of species jumping evolution. I do believe animals either die off or they evolve (meaning adapt and change) to their environment but they always remain the same species.
As for miracles. Most, not all, could be scientifically explained but it was God's timing and work that made them occur.
I look at Earth and observe the science about the Earth. We just so happen to have just the right combination and amounts of chemicals and elements with just the right kind of star, in just a precise orbit around that stat and in just a rare but specific place in the galaxy. Our continents and oceans and the atmosphere are formed just so precisely to support the abundance of life we have here on planet Earth. Even how the other planets are placed in our solar system, because without the gas giants and their strong gravitational pulls, life could not exist here on Earth being constantly bombarded with all asteroids and meteors flying around. I see all of this and I cannot see how anyone can dispute the existence of God.
 
 chadocat  11 Aug 2008 23:58
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 They dispute the existence of god because they understand the logic of probability. The chances that a planet could support life is remote to say the least. You are right about the various attributes Earth must have to support life but have got it round the wrong way. For me to win the lottery is 13million to 1. But for someone to win it is very likely. Does that one person think that god must have been at work for them to choose that specific combination of numbers or do they understand that someone has to pick the right combination as millions play it, luckily it was them. Of all the planets in the galaxy it would be even more remarkable if at least one didn't have the necessary attributes to support life. Earth is one and so we can exist to ask these questions. If Earth couldn't support life then we would not be here to say how remarkable it is, we would just be another species that never existed. But somewhere else would still support life, just as someone else wins the lottery. If this is the reason you believe in Creation then you are proveably, 100%, wrong.
by  Mosschops
 13 Aug 2008 10:01
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For "god" and science to coexist would require that a "god" exist.

Since there are no "gods", the point is moot, but yes, it is possible.
 
 K9  11 Aug 2008 04:36
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 confusing...I guess you mean to say that science and gods who don't exist can coexist.

Better than usual around here. I can live with that.
by  justsumguy
 11 Aug 2008 05:15
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Yes, technically. But I do think it's kind of cheating. Whatever science says is right, but God did it. Sure.
 
 sander  11 Aug 2008 01:08
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 well...it'll be nice when science says something is right. Then we can all agree on something.
by  justsumguy
 11 Aug 2008 02:07
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I think god can exist and not contradict science. Depending on what god is. I cannot imagine what god might be for this to be true, certainly not the one described in any of the holy books. As for creationism vs Evolution - that one is dead, evolution is a theory backed up by fact upon fact tested by science, a model that is the true test. Creationism is created by the religious to rescue their religion as they are too stuborn to admit that the bible might not be factually correct. Of course most know that it wasn't intended to be but these are people who are blinkered to the truth. If god and science can both be correct then the religious must accept that it can only co-exist on science's terms.
 
 Mosschops  10 Aug 2008 21:22
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 You ever read the Apocrypha brother?
by  joe9
 10 Aug 2008 21:33
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No. It says God created the universe, not everything evolved.

You believe in one or the other:

Blind chance or creation
 
 webman1200  12 Oct 2008 11:28
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 This would be true for idiots.
by  justsumguy
 09 Feb 2009 23:59
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It depends on what you mean by "God". If you're talking about personal, private faith in a deity that you do not attempt to impose on anyone else, then sure, they can co-exist. However, that's never what anyone refers to. When reality and religion come into conflict, religion is always wrong, yet the religious are so deluded that they cannot see the facts through their ridiculous faith. So long as people allow their beliefs to control their view of reality, religion has no place in the world and cannot ever be expected to peacefully co-exist with science.
 
 Cephus  11 Aug 2008 21:45
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Scientist spend their time trying to see if they can prove themselves wrong and normally they do.
I have no faith scientist will ever stop trying to prove God.

First you need to believe in God.

The door is still open.
 
 keepmindok  11 Aug 2008 20:11
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Right? God is based on faith not truth. Science is supplied with evidence. God is supplied with men proclaiming hope love and justice.
 
 Smito  11 Aug 2008 04:23
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 To some of us idiots God is based on evidence that some can't understand.
Science for the most part on the issues related to God is based on evidence that suggests something that science has yet to understand.
by  justsumguy
 11 Aug 2008 05:19
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When you look up into the heavens on a dark clear night, and wonder who made all those billions of twinkling stars, how on earth can you possibly say 'Science', and 'God' is equal?
 
 joe9  10 Aug 2008 21:13
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 Science, led me to God, Joe9.

the bottom line of all (Science) says: "for every effect, there has to be a cause" (i.e. a Starter-Force...=God).

"The heavens declare the glory of God, and the earth sheweth forth His handiwork".
(Holy Bible).

Occom's Razor:

"all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one". (Science).
by  Scorpion
 11 Aug 2008 20:03
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