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Generally Speaking Atheists Are As Dogmatic And Intolerant As The Religious People They Disagree With.
It seems as if strong-atheists (generally speaking) are equally dogmatic and intolerant as the religious and spiritual people they disagree with. BTW this is suppose to be in society but there is no way to change the category error.
 ammo  23 Feb 2008 17:46
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And it seems to be a well-known fact.

As a matter of fact, in YouTube, if you find "Successful Troll Song ~with Lyrics~" by "KevinandDerekSHOW," you should be able to see my comment: "I trolled an atheist. It was great." In about a day, it got to the number one highest rated spot. The video has 357,307 views last I checked, and currently, my comment has received 32 thumbs up since yesterday!

So, either trolls know that atheists are intolerant and snap when religion is mentioned... Or 13-34 year-old males from the U.S., Canada, Australia, the U.K. And Scandinavia, know just how intolerant atheists are. I say it's both.
 
 Stranger  01 May 2011 10:43
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 Judging from the average intelligence of a YouTube member, I wouldn't brag about that.
by  Homestar
 01 May 2011 12:10
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Yes.

And just as vicious.
 
 debategal  21 Feb 2011 16:44
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Normally, I'd say no, but from my experience, they can be (the extreme ones anyway).
 
 the_atom  03 Aug 2008 18:38
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 now that I think about it they aren't as bad as the Christians. sure they can be annoying sometimes, but they aren't on the same level as the Christians.
by  the_atom
 03 Aug 2008 18:41
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Atheists by definition will see little value in concepts like gratitude and humility. These are spiritual ideals. Humility would only diminish the individual and would be negative, and gratitude? Who is there to be grateful? They may be grateful to each other, but that's more of a quid pro quo, not true gratitude. These are two elements that are key in a person who wants a life of moderate serenity. Pride and arrogance are the biggest dangers in atheists, as it is their nature.

Check out David Berlinski and his work. See what kind of reception he gets from an atheist.
 
 innomen  15 Apr 2008 16:16
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 I would like to know your understanding of an atheist's character. do you really understand atheism, or the heart of an atheist? i don't believe you do if you agree with the statement that pride is a danger in atheists. the pride that i have seen come from christian mouths is that of pure hate and misunderstanding, ending up in violence towards those of us who simply say, "we don't hate you, we just think your wrong".
by  atx_lauren
 07 May 2008 17:00
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Since they are both beliefs, I don't see why not. You can get people who are intolerant on both sides and likewise you can people who are open minded.
 
 Shizenk  13 Apr 2008 15:26
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I totally agree with the statement of this Debate. The name calling, the lack of open minded discussion..it has lost its ever loving' mind these days. The negativity from the atheist population does nothing to help civility within the world population.
 
 ghostseer  24 Feb 2008 02:41
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 The "negativity" emanating from the atheist world these days is a response [long overdue in my opinion], to the never-ending violence, stupidity, dogma and bloodshed that plagues our world, courtesy of the religious. The "civility" that you refer to has been achieved largely by keeping religious zeal in check.
by  MQuinn
 13 Apr 2008 15:01
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The evidence is there.
 
 johnbdonov  23 Feb 2008 22:47
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I don't stand with the religious right or their "strawman version" of atheism. I actually do have some appreciation of what some atheists have to say but generally I've been witnessing a number of them make attacks and mocking people en masse who just may not know any better or have the time or access to eduction to contemplate such things. If Atheists have a point there is no need to come across in a condescending manner. Again, I don't feel all Atheists are this way but the jerks seem to just be coming out of the wood works from what I've seen and ruining their cause.

I can agree with a some of what Hidell is saying but on the flip side of things I would argue that people like George Bush parade their beliefs more so as way to manipulate power than for any other reason. Also, to say something like, "In general, we have looked on bemused as you addressed invisible beings, and practiced your goofy ceremonies" sounds a little insensitive--to call it "goofy" sounds rather rude.
 
 ammo  23 Feb 2008 22:38
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 The main feature of atheist fundamentalism is to suppose that belief in God is something opposed to reason. It's a fair assumption that they haven't read Pascal and others whose religious belief are defended with more powerful logic than anything the skeptics can offer. Indeed it requires a belief in magic to dismiss the testimony of individual and collective human experience in favor of Divine Providence. It's a mark of dogmatism to be blind to the evidence on the other side of a question.
by  johnbdonov
 23 Feb 2008 22:46
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BULLS***. I keep my lack of beliefs totally to myself 90% of the time. The ONLY time anyone hears my beliefs, is when they ring my doorbell and try to preach to me from their Bible. BTW - Atheists DO NOT CONGREGATE in "groups" - we help humanity just as much as anyone else does - helping others has NOTHING to do with religion.
 
 ABnormal55  23 Nov 2015 08:14
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Only when they're very young. When you grow up you realise that some people don't have it in them to be religious, and some people don't have it in them not to be. It's just the way people are
 
 damselfly  24 Oct 2010 03:50
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Then there must be nobody that's not dogmatic and intolerant, because people believe in God or not.
 
 tinseldove  31 May 2010 02:45
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 It's not about whether or not they have an opinion, it's about whether or not they force it on others, or act intellectually or morally condescending towards others.
by  FreeRoamer
 24 Oct 2010 00:54
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The people who say atheists are intolerant and have closed minds are really the ones with the "issues". Obviously you haven't met enough to know the true character of an atheist. The tolerance in an atheist comes from understanding the things in which they do not believe. Reading every word of the bible more than once, and knowing exactly why you do not agree with it. If that's not being open minded, then i don't know what is. Turning away from religion came from being surrounded by hypocritical christians. And that's exactly what atheists try not to be. Atheists come off as arrogant or intolerant because of the constant attacks of being "devil worshipers", "satan's right hand". Maybe if people would take the time to understand atheists the way we understand christians, they just might change their minds.
 
 atx_lauren  07 May 2008 16:53
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Atheists don't advocate murder, slavery or rape. That's what religious books (e.g. The buybull) tell people to do.

Atheists also don't go around inflicting ideology upon others. A secular society is not an atheist society, despite lies told to the contrary.
 
 K9  25 Apr 2008 20:01
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 HAHAHAhAHAHA.Yes you do, in fact.
by  Mark
 07 May 2008 16:57
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This is just a negative stereotype of the "angry atheist." I've never met a real atheist like this - just a few angry 16 years old. The very basis of atheism is rationality - that means rational debate and rational ideas.
 
 Moegreche  11 Mar 2008 02:33
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I would be more than happy to believe in god or gods if there was some convincing evidence to do so. So far I have only been offered quotes from the bible and blind faith. I'm afraid that isn't enough.
This is what's called having an open mind.
 
 Jahwobble  01 Mar 2008 20:43
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 Not really. That is called not having faith. That is okay by the way. Faith is by definition believing in something that is not provable. If you had an open mind you would at least accept the possibility of intelligent design. If you had truly an open mind you would see beyond the confines of your three dimensonal prison. There are those that do not have that capacity, often out of fear (pride and arrogance are fear). There are those who prefer to think of the universe in simple terms because it is safer because it is more understandable and more seemingly controlable.
by  innomen
 15 Apr 2008 16:24
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Not even close, I've yet to run across an atheist, regardless of how strong, who will not re-evaluate their beliefs if given sufficient evidence to do so. Only people who buy into the religious right's strawman version of atheism would come up with this kind of nonsense.
 
 Cephus  23 Feb 2008 19:50
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 Response in the "For" column.
by  ammo
 23 Feb 2008 22:39
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Atheists have been very quiet for a long time. They have been unassertive in their atheism. They watched patiently while public figures openly invoked their magical belief systems in the speeches they gave and the remarks they made. The net effect of all this was to make atheists feel that they "weren't quite right", that they didn't fully belong, that they were, in a sense, outcasts within their own society.

In recent years, this has begun to change. Atheists have begun to speak out, to challenge the things that they let slide before. Why? Perhaps because of the presidency of George W. Bush. Bush has openly paraded his (supposed) religious beliefs in a way that is unusual even for American presidents. He has claimed that God instructed him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

For some atheists this was the final straw. In general, we have looked on bemused as you addressed invisible beings, and practiced your goofy ceremonies. Although we considered it absurd, we thought, generally, that you weren't doing any harm. When you begin to invoke your superstitions to justify the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, though, it's time for us to speak up and for atheism to become active and militant.

It's also possible that religious feeling in general has actually increased around the world, and that this has provoked a counter-reaction. Some people have claimed this. For a long time, atheists generally thought that religion would just fade away as time went on and science and technology developed. Now that they are presented with evidence to the contrary, however, perhaps they feel that the forces of superstition are encroaching on the territory of reason and enlightenment, and that they must be prepared to fight and defend it.

Nonetheless, it is still very rare to encounter any active and assertive atheism. In American politics, for example, it is essentially impossible for anyone to be an atheist. I think there is one member of Congress, in an unbelievably safe seat in San Francisco or something, who has acknowledged being an atheist. If a presidential candidate acknowledged being an atheist, his candidacy would be finished. Atheism almost never features in public discourse. But just because a few pro-atheist books have been published in the last few years, suddenly the religious wackos are talking about "atheist fanatics" and the like. Please.
 
 Hidell  23 Feb 2008 18:24
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 You seem to have an inability to separate the spiritual from the religious. Those who live a life of true spirituality like Ghandi or Mother Theresa, and those who take a doctrine and distort it for reasons of power and control. There is a difference between the two. There are many people who live a spiritual life everyday, those who live by spiritual principles and do great things for others.

Name an atheist group that helps people. Not a nonreligious group, but an actual group of atheists that do something beneficial for the world.
by  innomen
 15 Apr 2008 16:29
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