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For And Against Debaters Need To Show Less Confidence.
For and Against debaters are always stating their case with things like "The bottom line", "The truth is", etc. For and Against is a debating site and I do not expect everything to be peaceful as I too am a debater (duh) however recently I have been stating my cases like "I am..." , "My opinion is...", etc. The point is we can debate more like a debate not a "I'M RIGHT you're wrong". I'm fine with having confidence, but don't scream your confidence, scream your opinion.
 arman1013  03 May 2009 04:10
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True people will always be confident if they are the first ones to post and they thing no one else will so they are right
 
 macman2212  03 May 2009 15:05
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 Not necessarily. Only one third of that is true. The actual debate (as in his creator creating it) is a contribution. If he responds under "Against" then its actually a 50/50. If he responds under "For" then its a 100/0. For the third option he may just be wrong in his opinion fact wise. In that case his opinion isn't wrong the facts that he learned that gave him the opinion are.
by  arman1013
 03 May 2009 15:40
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I agree with the sentiment of the debate topic, although I'd phrase the topic differently. Cocky, extreme, angry, sassy, show-boating arguments are common in here. I hope I'm not usually guilty of it. BUT (and I capitalize not to shout that but to make clear I'm reversing course) in a debate website it's freedom of expression so really anything people want to say and anyway they want to say it should still be valid. If you debate someone face to face you'll still see a lot of the same behaviors you see in print on this site.
 
 Grenache  03 May 2009 13:29
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 No, Grenache....you are not guilty of that. I don't think I've read any of your posts that came across like that. I may have missed some, but I think you show a lot of respect for others in all that I've read.
by  my2cents2u
 03 May 2009 13:41
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I'd agree, respect for your opponents is also sometimes lacking on this site.
 
 Quincel  03 May 2009 12:45
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 Mostly I agree but some opponents demand my ire.
by  finsch
 20 May 2009 04:06
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I suppose I disagree with the word choice of "confidence" a bit, but agree with the debate as a whole. Consideration and a sense humility could go a long way sometimes. There will likely always be some more heated debates. Those lend themselves to people speaking with much more conviction, however, even then it is possible to respect the feelings and opinions of others. They may not be the same as what someone else feels, but they are valid as far as an opinion. Where people state false fact, I think that can be confidently pointed out, but still with consideration for the other person's feelings. Some people on here are also on here as a type of social networking...at least that is the impression that I've gotten over time. There are times where everyone can cross a line in a debate, but for the most part, keeping an open mind will not only prevent coming across as too "confident" but will also allow for learning. Even when opinions differ from mine, there are many times that I find myself thinking about them and realize that I may have viewed something in a different way for no good reason. Even if I maintain my original opinion, I still find many differing opinions to be enlightening.
 
 my2cents2u  03 May 2009 06:21
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The bottom line is, I'm right, you're wrong. Go educate yourself, then you'll realize the truth is, I've always been right!
 
 SlyOne  03 May 2009 04:43
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 Haha, thank you!
by  arman1013
 03 May 2009 05:08
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If you don't show confidence, then your statement seems weak and vulnerable.....perhaps For and Against debaters just shouldn't be self proclaimed genius'..
 
 coelho  04 May 2009 14:52
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Well I am usually right, so I guess your proposition doesn't apply to me.
 
 verum  04 May 2009 06:17
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The bottom line is...
It has nothing to do with showing confidence.
It has to do with the inability to CONSIDER opposing views.

The truth is...
Truth is truth.
Opinions are something which are widely recognized as not having anything to do with truth and are more fit for discussion than debate. While this is a "debate" site, discussion is a much better way to explore different views and is what many people would rather partake in.

Silly little soundbites which receive yay and nay votes are cute but debates are better left for issues which can be proven true and false and discussions for that which can be explored.

There's a lot to be explored and there are people who have deserved confidence and people who have undeserved confidence. It is up to us to choose between the two.
 
 justsumguy  04 May 2009 04:36
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Just thought I'd disagree to open things up a bit. There are people on here who are over confident, cocky, arrogant, misguided in their opinions however many people on here are very passionate in their opinions. Sometimes we may disagree and I am against anyone who says that they are right and someone else is wrong just because they are differing in opinions. But it is to be expected when we are on this kind of forum.
 
 kddan  03 May 2009 18:23
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 YAY a disagree-er :D
by  arman1013
 03 May 2009 20:19
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This debate is getting pointless since no one is against it...
 
 arman1013  03 May 2009 17:05
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