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We Can Have Both Fate And Free Will
If God says everything is predetermined, then do we really have free will? And if we have free will can there really be fate?
 FISHSTIX  20 Apr 2009 10:58
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I agree with gottfried.
 
 Cemetary  02 Dec 2009 16:18
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Just because SOME things are pre-ordained doesn't mean ALL things are pre-ordained, and likewise just because sometimes we have free will doesn't mean all things are determined by free will.

The sun will burn out of energy someday, that is pre-ordained and actually a scientific fact, and that will impact all life forms on earth the day it happens, but it doesn't mean there is no free will exercised by earth life forms in all the days leading up to destruction.

You can have both. I guess the real debate is which aspects are fate and which are free will, and you may not always be able to prove it's one or the other.
 
 Grenache  22 Apr 2009 18:23
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It's not unlike a gajillion other problems with the limits of human thinking.

It's a balance. The moment we look at one, the balance tips in favor of the one we're looking at.

They are both true but neither is true when used to say the other is not true.

The end result for those who pursue wisdom concerning the matter is trust.
 
 justsumguy  22 Apr 2009 03:33
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I think they flow hand in hand.
 
 gottfried  20 Apr 2009 21:39
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That hardly makes sense. Free will is when something is certain to happen and there's nothing you can do to stop it...its like chess you make the moves and the pieces have no free will
 
 willis94  23 Apr 2009 00:40
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 You lost me on that one. And I thought I was complicated.
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 24 Apr 2009 03:02
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If fate is predetermined that means our free will is also meaning that it wouldn't be free will but followed will....
 
 coelho  20 Apr 2009 14:25
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 It could be one's fate to die in 63 years, but in the meantime, they may be free to do as they please.
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 20 Apr 2009 16:11
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