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Evolution Is The Only Logical Reason With Any Evidence To Why People Are Here Today
Creationism, while it paints a pretty picture, is over all not backed by anything blind faith. Evolution is the only rational reason to how humans cam to be.
 SIKLEMIND3  12 Feb 2008 02:33
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It's sad that so many people voted against this.
 
 Occultdude  23 Jun 2011 18:07
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Yes, what evidence do we have for anyone else?
 
 lavatis  06 May 2008 21:04
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 What Evidence DO we have for anything else, such as Evolution?
by  -125_
 16 May 2008 02:32
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It's amazing that even in the 21st century, with all the science, all the facts, all the technology. People still believe in a book written by people who thought the world was flat. When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.
 
 Andromeda  09 Apr 2008 22:50
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 So how does evolution explain why we are here? I see nothing in the process or the theory that goes beyond the how.
by  innomen
 02 May 2008 19:47
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PLEASE PLEASE read about evolution with an open mind and then come back and argue against it if you still feel the same way. So far the arguments against just show that you have no knowledge of what evolution is and how it works.
 
 StBalders  11 Mar 2008 16:59
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 I completely agree. These arguments sound like something a pastor would feed his or her congregation, and these people just ate it up like little brainless goldfish.
by  Moegreche
 11 Mar 2008 17:04
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These are some terrible arguments against evolution. I'm surprised that people still don't accept it. That being said, there are some really important things for people to understand about evolution:

1) It is a chaotic process, not a "forward moving" process as many people assume. The argument that things decay over time simply does not apply to evolution.

2) The evidence for evolution is absolutely overwhelming. It is still an ongoing study to really understand such a chaotic process, but the facts are very visible and accessible.

3) Using the bible as a defense of creation is simply begging the question and as such cannot be considered a credible argument.

4) Evolution has been observed. There's this virus called the AIDS virus... Maybe you've heard of it? The main reason we can't kill it is because it mutates so rapidly. Evolution is -guess what- chaotic and selective mutation.
 
 Moegreche  11 Mar 2008 16:49
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 1) How does entropy not apply to macroevolution? Your claim is not supported by evidence. The idea allows for "forward moving" macroevolution, so it is contrary to entropy which says that no "simple" or "low" level of organization that is physical can become "more organized" in isolation. If it is contrary to entropy, it is contrary to science.

2) Macroevolution is full of overwhelming claims but no evidence. If there is so much, why not list them? Even a little list?

3) I agree that just because the Bible says all things were created that that does not make it proof but I can say that the Bible could never have existed for no reason the same way the universe, which is so much more intricate in the physical, could never have come without a reason. In a way, the Bible could be used to support creation, but I tend to not use it to be different. There had to be an ultimate cause.
If you do not agree with that science, then say what is wrong with it, if you think so.

4) Microevolution (change within a species) has been seen and proven but not macroevolution (change from one species to another), which is the real issue here.
by  Stranger
 14 Mar 2008 20:04
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I've noticed that a lot of people are arguing against evolution because humans haven't changed significantly.

First of all: Evolution is an extremely slow process in most cases. A new species isn't going to form in a matter of a few years.

Second point: We DID change permanently. Since humans formed we've gained new hair colors, eye colors, skin colors, resistances to weather, body types, genetic diseases, resistances to diseases, we've grown smarter and stronger, and a bunch of other things.

Third point: We kinda removed natural selection from the equation, what with more advanced medical care (bye bye need for disease resistance), less reliance on being naturally strong, eyeglasses (used to be you had bad vision you had trouble living), better diets, and all the other amenities we've added.

Fourth point: There's no proof for intelligent design.

Fifth point: Evolution and creationism can go hand in hand, people

Sixth point: If you take the Christian explanation to be true, then how long are God's days? A day a Jupiter, for example, is WAY longer than one on Earth.

Seventh point: We can see other planets (like Titan, a moon of Jupiter) forming like how scientists predict the Earth formed

Eight point: Creationism is a theory, too!

Ninth point: The Bible contradicts itself, and has several questionable points. For a few examples of what I'm talking about scarybiiblequotes (dot) com is a good source

Tenth point: You can't disprove evolution.

Eleventh point: We didn't evolve from chimpanzees or gorillas or whatever, people! We evolved from a common ancestor!

For the rest of my points I suggest you actually research this.
 
 FoxFire  24 Feb 2008 19:28
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 What new species ever arose from another? I want to know exactly what species and how it happened with evidence, please.
by  Stranger
 04 Mar 2008 19:32
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Well yea we have proof with the monkeys!!
 
 cmonnot  16 Feb 2008 06:22
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 What proof? Their being similar to us is not proof that they are related to us by blood. Science is not supposed to be about assumptions.
by  Stranger
 19 Feb 2008 14:53
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I do believe in evolution to be a significant reason and explanation for the way us human beings are today. However, I hold the opinion that the concepts of Evolution and God (Religion) are able to run hand to hand; who is to say that, for those who are religious, God is not responsible for everything we see today, including nature's development throughout time?

It may well be possible that God almost planned for, or intended, there to be some sort of valid, scientific explanation to exist; indeed, if we had almost no knowledge about anything at all (admittedly, even now, we know merely a fraction of a single percentage of everything there is to know), we would all be pretty bemused about everything - even more so than we, arguably, are currently.
 
 jsh4  14 Feb 2008 19:10
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 I keep reading comments for the evolution side of the debate but I have read nothing that is backing any of your beliefs in evolution. If we are really going to debate something, I think that evidence (just like a trial in court) is the key factor in the debate. I respect everyones opinion, but I wish I could hear more about why evolution is your belief over creationism, rather than everyone saying why they don't belief in the Bible and God. Not directed at you personally jsh4, just a comment about the entire debate.
by  roxanne
 14 Feb 2008 19:23
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I believe evolution.if people want to believe that god said 'let there be light' and there was then that's fine, and this world was made entirely in 7 days then that's great, but people that believe in what god did and what the bible 'states' don't try and turn people that believe in science.its not going to work...lol
 
 tequila68  14 Feb 2008 14:50
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 Hey Tequila. I agree that no one can change someones beliefs. But I am always curious in why people believe in what they believe in. Could you expand on your beliefs in evolution over creation. What has happened or what have you studied to cause you to believe in evolution. And is evolution your explanation to why we are all here? Hope to hear from you.
by  roxanne
 14 Feb 2008 19:14
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How do you know stuff how would everything be possible like the bible how do you know someone just made it up
 
 princess  12 Feb 2008 21:26
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 It was not made up. I can tell you that. God himself tells us all over the Bible. You should read it. Here is your proof:
We are here. We are wonderful things. How could we come from monkeys?
Look around you. The great things of this earth could not have been made by evolution nor a Big Bang.
How do you know he does not exist.
Some say, "The world is terrible and God is bad because all this is happening." But the truth is, WE put it here. Our sin. I am a sinner, you are, we all are. But, the only perfect person is Jesus Christ. So there you have it.
by  -125_
 12 Feb 2008 21:31
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Evolution is the only rational explanation we currently have. Sure, you've got FAIRY TALES like the Bible, but they have absolutely no evidentiary support whatsoever. It's blind faith and blind ignorance that keeps people from accepting reality.
 
 Cephus  12 Feb 2008 16:31
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 I just want to ask you a couple of questions. Have you tried to disprove the Bible or done your own investigation? And if you know what is real, where is your evidence? What is reality? You my friend are also living by blind faith. Ignorance is claiming something with no hard proof evidence to back it up. Show me the evidence. I have read much about the claims of evolution and I have found nothing that 100% backs it up. If you are going to claim you know what reality is, then point us in the right direction to learn what you already know instead of calling people blind and ignorant. I don't mean to be rude, but blind faith is everywhere, not just in the creationist view.
by  roxanne
 13 Feb 2008 22:50
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See that is what I was talking about when I said that creationism is backed by nothing but blind faith in the bible and in "god". Evolution took millions of years not 7000
 
 SIKLEMIND3  12 Feb 2008 03:01
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 We have no scientific evidence that the world is millions of years old. We have theories from scientific forms of dating, but no hard proof. If you honestly believe that the world has been around that long, then you are also living by blind faith. Investigate it, google it, everything is a theory. Then try an investigation disproving the Bible and its word. I found it very difficult to do. I was an atheist and non believer until I did an investigation of my own. If you truly believe in something, you should have evidence backing it up. If you do, then I would like to know where you found it so I may read or study it as well.
by  roxanne
 13 Feb 2008 22:39
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Adaption can be performed by anything that moves(temporary survival skill)
Natural selection is the knowledge that some individuals are born freaks and disaster overlooks
them because they have a small advantage(once
disaster ceases, the offspring, like the last gen.,
continue to spawn with the majority following the original gene instructions.
The idea of evolution is void if it's supporting theories bail.
 
 Arcangel7  28 Jun 2012 14:40
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It is still just a hypothesis not a fact.
In my point of view, evolution theory is contradicted and lacks logical explanation.
 
 a-s  26 Dec 2011 14:27
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No

10 Points
 
 AR454  23 Jun 2011 18:54
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 What can you buy with points?
by  Arcangel7
 28 Jun 2012 14:42
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Okay..
Think of something as simple as a watch..once opened, its soo complicated..the way every little bolt and screw is fitted together and works togther so that the watxh itself can work..

That watch was created to work like that...and its creator would have been a craftsman or something..

The logic is that everything that has been created, must have a creator..we humans have been created, this world has been created, so has this universe..and the only explanation that of the creation of the universe and evolution is the Lord..=]
 
 ziku94  30 Oct 2009 07:06
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 You forget that watches don't have to start off as watches. It can start off as a circle template for drawing, then a circle template with redundant hands, then a circle template that fits in a circular dish, then that circular dish has gears and a quartz crystal, then it has redundant straps, then you add the glass case and it becomes a toy watch, then add the batteries and it becomes a real watch.

Natural Selection only eliminates an organism if it has traits detrimental to its survival. A trait that neither helps nor hurts doesn't get eliminated, and neither does a trait that kicks in once the children are independent. That's why men have nipples, we still have appendixes, there are more diseases that affect old people, etc.
by  Occultdude
 23 Jun 2011 18:05
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Hey be careful to take shots and a say one is insane, and many is a religion. Anyone who studies religion would know about the dark ages and the many reformations etc. I believe science is an amazing thing. But i believe science has its limits (if I am allowed to say) Faith is important in the bible as it calls for it. Because carbon dating and any other dating method suggests the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Science forged much of our technology. But science has done many bad things as well. And even doctors come out saying the we're wrong about a certain medication or product and it should stop being used.

Science is the blunt term for all these 'discoveries' great and small.

Now I am not defending every religion. I have my own conviction about certain types of religions and certain types of sciences.

And you guys that want a philosophical point on why God exists you can look up Rene Descartes the father of modern philosophy. Note Christians it may be a tad weird. But it is a different approach.
 
 gottfried  15 Mar 2009 02:04
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I am no great defender of creationism. I just find it hard to accept that a couple of amoeba could get together in the primordial ooze, and 4 billion years later be watching plasma screen TVs.
 
 LeonAinSA  01 Nov 2008 19:55
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 Before you discuss or debate abiogenesis or evolution it's always best to understand it first.
by  Andromeda
 04 Nov 2008 18:38
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Using logic and evolution in the same sentence. Whooo
 
 v00v  23 Oct 2008 04:21
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There is no evidence that we come from animals.

And do you call it logic that we came about by chance and that the universe put itself toghether?
 
 webman1200  11 Oct 2008 20:38
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 Endogenous Retrovirus fragments are a start.. and don't mix cosmic evolution with biological evolution, they are different theories.
by  Ribo
 14 Oct 2008 03:04
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This is a place for DEBATES, not to state facts. And of course you are right
 
 iLoveJesus  03 Sep 2008 06:33
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So far not in it's entirety, like okay, where did
humans, come from, and where did what ever it was that begat us come from, where
did that come from? As it all been explain definitively yet? But most importantly, what explains how more than why?
 
 Bacchus  02 May 2008 19:35
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 Well we can create forms of life such as mold and mildew with items that already exist on this planet. It is believed that if you had a sphere of water, just the right amount of heat and some light, if those things mix and are coupled with lightning. You can create like DNA or something like DNA which becomes protists and other biotic life forms, add the theory of evolution and it is no that hard to imagine
by  Evidence
 06 May 2008 15:40
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I am not so sure it is able to explain "why" we are here. It does a good job of explaining the theory of our origin, but to the more metaphysical question of "why" - not even close.
 
 innomen  02 May 2008 19:20
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Its not the only logical reason. What about all those aliens. Maybe we are all travelers from another planet trying to find our way home. Maybe we are devolving .Backward or forward up or down its all a matter of relative view.
 
 Teachdirt  14 Apr 2008 02:59
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 i like arguments that are from outside the box, like this one
by  nickwhan
 03 May 2008 12:39
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Logic, in its most basic sense, is defined as a system of reasoning. Logical reasoning can apply to almost any belief, whether it is objective or not. For this reason, I cannot agree with the topic, due to the fact that logic should not be what you base your conclusion on, plausible and cited evidence should be. Also, as I can’t stress enough, evolution is not necessarily meant to describe the origins of life on Earth, but rather their current state of being today. What your topic heading should have said was something along the line of “Evolution Is The Only Scientifically Evidential Theory With Any Evidence Explaining The Current State Of All Organisms”. If this were the debating topic, I’d be happy to support your claim.
 
 Hizashi  19 Mar 2008 09:38
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I would like to see the best evidence evolution has to offer
 
 kut77less  09 Mar 2008 17:58
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 Then read about it with an open mind. It is complicated and extremely simple at the same time. it is fascinating and beautiful. Please read about it and understand it, you will be enlightened and overwhelmed.
by  StBalders
 11 Mar 2008 16:54
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Are you serious? Science has been wrong before! Hello they once thought the world was flat so when someone proves to me that science is always right and that will prove evolution is the ONLY logical solution.
 
 ambercol  01 Mar 2008 00:56
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 The point here is that science is falsifiable. Religion is not. Science is not always right, which makes it an actual valid epistemological approach to our surroundings.
by  Moegreche
 11 Mar 2008 16:51
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The best way to define evolution is thus:

"Basically, the world is a big jigsaw puzzle of atoms, and somehow the jigsaw puzzle fell out of the box and landed all into place. . . . And everything in this world is accidentally organized right now."

Nothing can be organized without someone to organize it.

Set up a chunk of playdough and tell me when it makes something by itself. Watch and tell me.
 
 IDGuardTK  20 Feb 2008 23:07
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 Playdough is not a biological organism, and as such cannot "make something by itself."
We only see organization in the universe, when in actuality it is extremely chaotic. These types of cosmological arguments haven't worked since the ancient Greeks and they still don't.
by  Moegreche
 11 Mar 2008 16:53
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First things first, science is the study of observed phenomena so i would have to say a mis definition of science is always the case in an argument on the origin of life.
Secondly, there is no point in slandering things as fairy tales, because on either side of the coin there are varying presuppositions. I would say i don't find evolution to be the answer, because mathematically trying to model billions of years off of a 7,000 year sampling time(which wasn't very well documented prior to 1000 years ago (very generous of me)) I just find this argument humorous because its not science, and there are always bible bashers, and bible pounders. . . . Have at it
 
 veridicus  18 Feb 2008 21:55
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 It seems to me that you have nothing to on the debate of evolution, whether or no science has to do with evolution is up to you to determine. But it seems to me that you just may be a science bashing religious Zealot person.

And you don't have to model even millions of years of something to find an answer. I throw a rock in the air one minute and it falls back down. " I don't study anything"

I throw a rock in the air with the study of physics and i HAve a good idea as to what brought it down. I can testit and do it again and I can continue to sya gravity brought it down. But I will never be able to say that the very first thropw was brought down by gravity. Because I did not study it. though gravity is more than likely the answer to that question.

The same way I can grow mold on a piece of toast in the proper conditions study the variables and decide why it is their. I can then apply that theory to life and its beginnings. From here I will know if the factors apply and from their if it works I have seen lifes creation that has a chance to evolve

I am not going to bash your religion just answer what test you have done to show that life was creeated by a God?

The word of God has been tested with the methods of science

But Gods methods and teachings cannot test scientific theory!!!!
by  Evidence
 06 May 2008 15:59
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The major problem is that what is now being pushed as "science," is nothing more that the philosophy of naturalism posing as science. You see, creationist and evolutionists both give a god of some kind all their faith. For Christians, this is obvious. We worship God. The evolutionists however, worship time. Every argument puts huge faith in time. Any objection to evolution is responded to with "billions of years"
 
 davidsuggs  17 Feb 2008 02:37
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 They think time does the trick but it really does not because the more time there is for matter in isolation (without outside interference), the more broken down and less organized become all physical things, which means that no "primitive" creature could ever have transformed into higher levels of organization no matter how many billions of years or whatever number is imagined. That is the scientific law of entropy which proves wrong the so-called "theory" of "evolution" (which is really macroevolution) and tosses it out the window. Micro evolution is true, however, since it is proven. It is a shame that so many overlook this, like I had, and it is worse knowing that most scientists (I have heard it's most) overlook this contradiction.
by  Stranger
 19 Feb 2008 15:15
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Evolution is a theory that was created by those who were trying to explain the beginning of time. I have found no scientific evidence backing evolution. Anthropologists have found bones that they claim to be evolutionary, but no scientists or anthropologist have ever found anything that backs this up. All the bones and fossils found are 100%. What I mean is that they have never found combinations of species, or combinations of different organisms that are 25%, 50% or 75% of something. There are claims that this has occurred, but no hard evidence. Just like those who believe in creation, evolutionists are living by faith alone. None of us have the answers, but there is scientific proof that the Bible is correct and that Jesus Christ is our Savior. I think that an investigation to disprove something should be done by those who claim the Bible is false and a story full of myths. A good book to read is "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. He was an atheist that did his own investigation. A great read for those on both sides of this argument.
 
 roxanne  13 Feb 2008 22:32
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 I take your point completely, and yes, evolution does have certain questions surrounding it, but it also has several pieces of evidence out there, in support of its existence, to some extent at least. I, myself, can admit that I am by no means an expert in this field. Indeed, I don't at all submit that is is the ONLY logical explanation - far from it, in fact. I almost hold a middle ground between evolution and creationism, believing that there is no reason as to why Science and Religion cannot run in parallel.
by  jsh4
 14 Feb 2008 19:49
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Yeah, that does sound right, but i have reason to believe that it's not. The bible does seem like a bunch of bogus, but I've seen people who were changed by it. Also, many miracles have happened that nothing else can explain except for a higher power, God.
The bible has also prophicised about many things, and it's happened. Also, it's kinda depressing to think that we are just going to live one life, and then die. Evolution has a lot of truth to it, but there is a lot of lies mixed in. Just study it more. Don't give up on faith.
 
 taffy4jc  13 Feb 2008 16:44
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 People can be changed by just about anything, it just takes a positive mental attitude. I've seen people whose lives were changed by playing chess.

The Bible has also not prophecied anything whatsoever, there are a lot of claims where what's actually written in the Bible has been misquoted in an attempt to claim prophecy, but there isn't a single demonstrable fulfilled prophecy anywhere in the Bible.

Maybe you're the one who needs to be studying more so you don't make silly claims.
by  Cephus
 13 Feb 2008 16:48
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"Evolution" is misleading. It is Macro-evolution that's conflicting with the Bible. I am a micro-evolutionist but I just don't have the... As you folks love to say: "blind faith," to believe that millions of fossils between people and apes (and all other links between allegedly blood-related species) exist when none have been found (I also don't have faith to believe in the few alleged ape-men). That takes faith. At least I admit I take faith to believe in "God." Darwin and his followers do not admit it and claim it is actual science. Then there's entropy. MACROEVOLUTION CONTRADICTS THE SCIENTIFIC LAW OF ENTROPY which says that all natural things become less organized (less ordered) over time in isolation. The more time-the less organization. Macroevolution says the opposite: From less organized comes much more organized ("primitive" beings to people, for example). There is no way in science that that can happen! It makes for interesting science-fiction, though.
 
 Stranger  12 Feb 2008 21:07
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 I'm a Christian and when I look at the Bible and try to understand God, I see a God that is so big and cool that He could have made evolution work. I have faith enough in God that evolution could be true, and Jesus still died on the cross for me and I still am saved.
by  bones
 13 Feb 2008 02:00
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WRONG!
The Bible states that we were made in his own image, and if we are changing that is not possible. Furthermore, evolution is a theory and if it is true, why hasn't the human race changed permanently in small amount in the past 7,000 years? It is not 'Blind Faith' it is the belief in God and the Bible.
 
 -125_  12 Feb 2008 02:48
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 Since there is no rational reason to believe that God exists and the Bible is laughably ridiculous, of course it's blind faith. That's like saying that Harry Potter is real because J.K. Rowling wrote 7 books about him. Oh brother.
by  Cephus
 12 Feb 2008 16:32
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