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Evolution Is Real

There is no God - fact! Human beings evolved through natural selection - not by a Godly magic trick. There is NO physical proof that there is a God but hard scientific facts AND proof of our evolution. We will continue to change over eons to suit our environment. This is not a magic trick - simply scientific evolution which has been proved.

lacie200gb

20 Aug 2012 09:35

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Evolution exists, but humans themselves are no longer evolving.

The process of evolution basically involves 'survival of the fittest'. In practical terms that means massive die-offs, and the continuous premature deaths of a significant percentage of each generation. This was normal for the human race in prehistoric times, a human female might have 6 kids and only 2 or 3 would live to adulthood. The rest died of disease, starvation, or being eaten by tigers. All kinds of things that today allow someone to get medical treatment and go on with their lives, would be fatal in a pre-industrial society. Someone who had a weak immune system would die, let alone someone with poor eyesight or a minor birth defect.

Lets not even touch how 'survival of the fittest' worked before civilizations decided they needed laws against murder.

One we developed advanced technology, we perceived allowing people to die to be immoral, so we act to prevent it. In order for evolution to continue it would require something which humanity would consider a catastrophe, or compromising the value our society places on human life by letting unhealthy people die.

So humans are no longer evolving. In fact we may even be DE-evolving (accumulating more genetic defect in the pool), because letting evolution take place goes against the values of our society. We rely on technology now, which is far faster than evolution in a species with generations 25+ years long anyways.

RWEMD

21 Aug 2012 21:24

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Excellent and intelligent comments. I have learned from this and agree. Thanks.

lacie200gb

22 Aug 2012 17:44

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Yep, sensible straight forward comments.

Evileye

20 Aug 2012 11:24

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Actually, there is proof that God exists. There are many examples and EVIDENCE that God exists? And where did we evolve from??

BrianMudde

20 Aug 2012 20:41

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What evidence are you referring to?

pollywog

21 Aug 2012 14:25

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To say that God does not exist is a fact, requires a few reasons to make the claim seem at a minimum plausible. To say that the General Theory of Evolution has been proven is also an over statement without adequate evidence. For example, the fossil record simply doesn't supply the goods. Now evolution, in the general theory, may be the answer to all life and its complexities we see in the natural world, but the evidence for it will not be from the fossil record based on the current science of how species transition and evolve. Here's the reason:
If we all evolved from random, physical particles thru natural physical laws creating all of life over eons of time, then where are all the transitions? If one thinks about this mechanism of small changes thru mutations, based on survival, there should be at least a million to one examples in the fossil record of all of these minute changes. For example, where are the millions of examples of transitions from a sea living four finned ancestor, transitioning from a baby foot for one fin out of three and another million or so transitions of creatures with two fins and two legs, etc etc etc. These type of transitions do not exist in the fossil record. The evolutionary model absolutely predicts that this should be the case. All we see in the fossil records are "complete" organisms. There are really NO transitions at all. So what's up with that? What is the answer? The general theory of evolution would predict literally millions and millions of transitions in the fossil record, but all we see are completed organisms, so to speak. So, for that reason alone, the fossil basis for believing the general theory of evolution to be true, is inadequate.

charlee

20 Aug 2012 10:59

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For the debate poster to say that a god or gods not existing is a fact is not quite correct but as near a buggery. Fundamental lack of any shred of evidence backs that up. As for evolution, yes a lot of evidence for it comes from the fossil record. Fossils do show how much, or how little, organisms have changed over time. Yes, the fossil record contains gaps. Do you expect perfectly preserved sets of fossils laid out just under the soil for us to discover, naive. Not all organisms fossilise well, and there will be many fossils that have been destroyed by the movements of the Earth, or simply not yet been discovered.
One of the few animals for which there is a fairly complete evolutionary record for is the horse. All the main stages of the evolution of the horse have been preserved in fossil form. Over 60 million years, the horse evolved from a dog-sized creature that lived in rainforests into an animal adapted to living on the plains and standing up to 2 metres high. In the process its multi-toed feet, that were adapted for walking across the forest floor, evolved into single-toed hooves more suited for running over open country. Look it up.

Evileye

20 Aug 2012 11:24

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OK, I'll put it in a different way.  The General Evolutionary Theory states all life came from pre-existing life ancestry.  (I won't get into the abiogenesis concern since it has already been discussed).  So, under the current theory all complexities of life come from some form of pre-existing life, and this is accomplished thru the mechanisms of mutation and expression of very small, minute changes in genetic transmission, generally thought to be possible thru natural selection and randomness.  
So, let's take a example the bioevolutionists throw out as obvious transitional forms that "prove" the theory.  Evidently, there is some fossil record of a whale-like creature with fins and all, and then a fossil record that shows extreme homology in the bone structure of a similar look-alike four footed land creature.  "This proves evolution" shout the bioevolutionists.  Well, not so fast.  The General Theory predicts that there should be millions to one of the transition creatures compared to the "complete" new creature.  That is to say, where are the millions and millions of in-between examples of one-footed to three finned creatures, or the millions of two-finned to two-footed creatures and so on and so on.  Guess what, there aren't any such transitions?  Why not?  The theory certainly predicts that this would be the case, doesn't it?  If you deny this vast inadequacy of the fossil records, it would be most enlightening to hear your reasons.  Finally, where are all the transition examples walking, crawling or flying around the planet today?  The theory would predict literally billions of such transitions that are in-between "complete" structures.  Where are they?

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The existence of God answers nothing.  Where did God come from?  God would certainly qualify as a life form, so if you presume god exists the question of where life came from simply reverts to where God came from.  If your answer is 'he just is', then we're right back where we started.

There's  a concept in science saying a hypothesys is "not even wrong", which is to say it's not even well defined enough to be testable and proven or disprove and then used to answer real world questions... such a hypothesis is considered worse than one which is provable and then proven false.  The "Invisible God" hypotheses falls into that category.  However the hypothesys that life evolved from non-living but self-replicating molecules is at least a working theory that allows searching for evidence, and can be proven or disproven.

There are actually stromatolites and other microfossils dating back over a billion years.  So there is some evidence of evolution even before multicellular organisms came about.  So the theory of abiogenesys followed by evolution is better than the invisible god theory, since it is testable, and if proven could be applied to infer things about the real world.  Come up with a much clearer definition of what a "God" is, one which is testable, and then we can go about proving it right or wrong.

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""There's a concept in science saying a hypothesys is "not even wrong", which is to say it's not even well defined enough to be testable and proven or disprove and then used to answer real world questions... such a hypothesis is considered worse than one which is provable and then proven false.""

That's an interesting hypothesis, please give me the scientific testing and data that has proved it.  Or, are you the only one who can promote "not even wrong" hypotheses?

Again, the point is that the Evolutionary model mandates and predicts transitional species in the fossil record, as well as walking the planet today.  (or crawling, or swimming, etc).  But there are none.  This is not just a slight hole, it entirely slam dunks the general theory into oblivion.  Show me the transitions (and there should be millions of the three footed and one finned creature, or one footed to three finned transition creature, etc.)  There simply are no transitions out there, but complete intact creatures in every case.  And you are quite correct the first three footed one finned creature by mutation would be lunch for the first Tyranasaurus Rex that came along.  Again, the theory is shown to be completely bogus in this area.

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The supposed lack of transitional fossils is not valid as an argument against evolution. What you're saying is, for example, if organism 1 existed 70 million years ago, and organism 2 appears in the fossil record 5 million years later, then theoretically there should be intermediate species in this 5 million year gap, which shows gradual progression from one species to another. It's this lack of "transitional" fossils that proves to you that evolution is false.
Evolutionists have shown that there are transitional fossils, and there are plenty of examples of them. Here is the key point, even if you accept these examples of transitional fossils, you will still claim that there are no transitional fossils! These fossils will either be called unique species, or you will come up with some reason (disease, birth defect, etc.) that accounts for the apparent transition feature. 
Naturally, you will say, "Where are the transitional fossils between these transitional fossils?" If we had a clear fossil record, showing progression every 10,000 years for millions of years, you will not accept it, and will want the "transitional" fossils for the missing 10,000 year period. No amount of evidence will convince you that your belief is wrong.
Even the Catholic Church has had to accept evolutionary theory or face ridicule.
The fact that you will not be convinced, no matter how much evidence is presented, makes your argument weak, because your argument is not based on science, but on assumptions based on creationism.

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