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Even Though The Atheist Rejects God, God Has Not Rejected The Atheist.
1. Many atheists demonstrate high moral character because they respond to their inner consciences. 2. One's having an inner conscience and the free will to choose to listen to it are best supported by the worldview of Theism and God's ongoing presence in our souls. 3. Therefore, God does not reject the atheist.
 charlee  30 Apr 2008 18:07
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I don't know the mind of God, but I am praying that he has not rejected atheists yet. Because I want to see all of us in Heaven.

But, the Bible does say that those that reject Jesus Christ will be rejected by God on judgement day.

So I guess my answer is.... He has not rejected them yet.
 
 created  17 Dec 2008 01:52
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I love God.
God loves me.
No worries, mate ;-)
 
 Scorpion  05 Jul 2008 00:21
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 Yeah? Prove it.
by  Cephus
 30 Aug 2008 08:43
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Of course! God is willing to accept and welcome anybody, no matter their race, gender, age, or any other characteristic.
 
 TyWhyHiTy  01 May 2008 02:40
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Not sure I agree with the reasoning. Not sure I totally understand it.

However, I will definitely agree with this one.

1) Because just in case I am wrong all along it is nice to know.

2) Because this seems like the stance a Christian should take. Anything else seems completely unforgiving, horrible even. God gave us free will, we use it and decide, quite reasonably, against his existence and so he carts us off to hell. That would be completely out of order.
 
 StBalders  30 Apr 2008 23:00
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 Balders, humor me for a few seconds...

I think it's quite reasonable to believe in God and totally unreasonable not to believe. I think this based on science and philosophy. BUT...I don't think being "reasonable" is the kicker here.

The thing I find almost impossible to accept, is how your reasoning could trump what you feel in your soul. Even more....if you don't feel a soul.

This is the real issue. Are you telling me you have no link to God? You do not feel your creator. You don't feel the need to forever be with your loved ones? You do not feel the love of your creator?

What I'm trying to say is, either one of us is lieing or we are different creatures. What I am describing in those questions is more real to me than anything in this universe.

We're not just talking about "beliefs" here. Not "faith". Not religion. We're talking about a completely different mode of reasoning. I know we're the same species. Our dealings with this temporal life are the same. But what about our persons? The so-called subjective things which seem to transcend our physical bodies. From which does our reasoning arise?

I agree with you, I don't think God would cart us off to Hell because we quite reasonably decide against His existence. But it begs the question...what are we who make this reasonable decision? What would God be carting off to Hell? If we have quite reasonably come to the conclusion that we don't know God, that we don't feel God, that there is no reason for God to exist and that our eternal existence is not important.

I simply can't define what it is God would be carting off. You tell me. If God carted you off to Hell...what are you?
by  justsumguy
 31 Aug 2008 04:38
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What about a LaVeyan Satanist?
 
 kitten  08 Dec 2008 19:24
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Of course he hasn't, that's because to an atheist, God doesn't exist so there is no-one to reject an atheist. XD
 
 Tromanator  17 Nov 2008 11:47
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 does the atheists opinion of God's existence CAUSE God to not exist?
by  created
 17 Dec 2008 01:49
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It's more like evolution accepts creationist even know they reject evolution.
 
 iLoveJesus  30 Aug 2008 08:01
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I really angers me when people say that! How dare you throw your creepy imaginary friend on us! If you want to lose your insanity to a book go a head but don't act like fundementalists.
It's wrong.-God Has Not Rejected The Atheist- as if god is real. Uhhhh
 
 Balance_92  16 Aug 2008 19:26
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God lives where God is invited, comfortable and excepted. Turn your back on him and he will do the same until the day of Judgement.
 
 Brock  05 Jul 2008 00:18
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Four of the ten commandments concern themselves with what might be called the personal vanity of god. That, on its face, is rather extraordinary. Fully 40% of what the Christian church defines as virtuous conduct relates to appeasing the vanity of the great magic being in the sky.

It's clear then that God is not some mature, wise old man-type god who could look with mellow understanding at his slaves, I mean flock, straying from the righteous path. Rather, he looks at them with blazing fury and hysterical rage, considering them traitors who dared to defy his mighty will. He is jealous, petty and vindictive. This is the portrait painted not by the diatribe of a hostile atheist, but by his own holy book.

To the non-believer contemplating the christian faith objectively, one of its most striking features is the important attributed to belief in the deity itself, as opposed to virtuous acts. Most reasonable people would think that a person who lived a virtuous life, conforming to the basic tenets of the Ten Commandments, for example, other than those which relate to the personal vanity of god, would deserve any eternal reward which awaits the virtuous in the after life. Whether that person openly embraced christianity, or had even heard of it, or the Ten commandments, should be irrelevant. But, in fact, according to the doctrines of most branches of the christian superstition, it is not.

Someone who commits outrageous acts of evil, genocide, for example, but accepts Jesus and repents of his wickedness at the last, has a greater chance of getting into heaven than the non-Christian who lives a selfless life, devoted to helping others. So Hitler gets into heaven, and Ghandhi is sent to hell. Nothing could better demonstrate the absurdity of the christian cult.
 
 Hidell  11 Jun 2008 18:13
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 Your last paragraph has an interesting point, I must hand it to you.

Hitler claimed he was a Christian to make a very nice political ruse. He later prosecuted Jews, Catholics, and Protestants openly. The Christian philosopher Karl Mander said "Hitler is a liar, and is not following the way of God in any way".... shortly thereafter he moved from Nazi Germany.

Keep in mind that Hell has levels, as well. Here is a post from one of my other debates, as I am to lazy to write it again :).

eople often reject God because they cannot stand the idea of children in Hell. This may easily be dismissed. In the Bible, Jesus often references children symbolically with salvation. People who cannot, and have not been able to make their decision, and not being mentally able to understand, and not knowing, do not go to Hell. As for the burning, here is an interesting subject. Hell is a dark place, as said in Samuel, so how could this be if it was filled with fire? In Revelation, Jesus comes down ''Covered in fire and with a sword out of his tongue''. Now, the fire is represented as God's judgement and most likely is not physical. And the Sword is actually the Bible, or the "Sword of the spirit." So, again, the fire is actually is the anguish that a huge mistake was made to go on for eternity. And, there are different levels of Hell to match the 'crime', if you will. This is stated in Matthew, and Jesus says Matthew 11:20-24:

"Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent: “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.”

This implies different people get different punishment. I hope I answered any questions, if not, please let me know. So, even if Gandhi is in Hell, I doubt he is being severely burned, hurt etc. Everyone is a sinner. Me, you, that guy on the subway who eats corn. (Just kidding)
by  XieXie
 14 Jun 2008 21:03
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Its obvious that you are just trying to incite anger among the atheist group. I won't get angry like some of the others but il argue a few of your points. I've never had high moral character I'm a jerk just yesterday i walked up to a guy and asked if he needed help and after he said yes i responded with well have fun with that. Sorry my freewill and conscience come from the thoughts of world domination and killing all of humanity and I'm sure god isn't supporting me in that or maybe he is? YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! How can something inexistant reject something its just impossible.
 
 Smito  11 Jun 2008 15:42
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How arrogant and absurd are the numerous justifications people put forward to explain the existence (or not) of a God. To believe that humans can even begin to understand any God's intentions is laughable. How can we possibly know if 'God' is a contrived idea, the energy source of the entire Universe, an omnipotent being that looks over our every move or a physical deity that can be harmed? For the faithful that believe in miracles, with what method or mechanism does your God actually use to make things change 'magically'? Wouldn't it take some form of specific interaction to make such a change, rather than just wishful thinking? Some of you may be tempted to answer that question, but that merely proves the point raised at the beginning of this reason about how arrogant people are that they think that they can explain the actions and power of any God.

But this topic goes around and around..people attacking each other and not progressing the topic at all, there are a lot of comments here, but mostly personal opinions and very little fact to substantiate anything. 'Fact' in a topic as complex as this may suffice to be a view shared by a great many people (perhaps such as the followers of a religious book) and is open to challenge by others that have another 'fact' to discredit the thinking of the masses. In many other topics however, fact would be defined as something provable and should provide a relevant source, be it a creditable weblink, or just from qualifications or from experience that is not questioned by the general public, such as an engineer's comments about the strength of a bridge. The point being 'fact' is information that YOU feel is correct or can be trusted and if it survives rigorous debate and a large majority of people end up agreeing, then it is likely true. In all cases though, if you have a valid alternate view to discredit the original perception of fact, you should show your alternate source for others to consider if you want this 'fact' to stand the test of debate. Even the well articulated comments here are still only unsubstaniated opinions. Much of it is repeated over and over and still the topic is no closer to an answer. Comments are drawn out with padding and full of irrelevant phrases such as 'I think...' and 'you haven't answered my question..BLAH BLAH', rather than sticking to consise fact, so if you want a serious place to build on each thought to learn new things and maybe get closer to the truth, rather than just to playing around and trying to score points against each others intelligence without purpose, go to www.thoughtitthrough.com and add to the structured topics to build on our collective knowledge for this topic, as well as many related topics such as 'our purpose' and 'the origins of the Universe'. You will find many other meaningful topics there also, plus you can add your own!
 
 smarty  17 May 2008 12:51
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What "god"? You have to prove one exists before making the claim. Fairy tales like the buybill are not "proof".

Edit:

A bunch of words on a website is not "proof", so it doesn't need to be read.

What the godbots have to do is prove their "god". Here's how you do that:

1) In front of me, bring a decapitated (headless) car accident victim back to life.

2) Cause the water between the island of Taiwan (where I am) and Mainland China to split. Land masses may not rise or fall and no temperatures may change; there has to be a bare seabed and two walls of liquid water on each side.

You're the one who says these supposed events in the buybull happened and are possible, so you have to prove them, not I disprove them. The burden of proof always lies with the claimant.

If you can't do either of them, it means your "god" doesn't exist.

If you won't do either of them, it means you know your "god" doesn't exist but you are a liar and are just too cowardly to admit it.
 
 K9  17 May 2008 12:32
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 http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

There. Proof. Now, if you would like to debate on the subject, go right ahead.
by  XieXie
 14 Jun 2008 20:55
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Well, though I do find your appreciation and respect for atheism a breath of fresh air (I appreciate it, I really do), the first circle of hell AKA Limbo is reserved for non-believers. That's the biblical stance, but I do find your opinion morally sound. It makes a nice change from the numerous religious arguments, an opinion in which they can both live in harmony (Y).
 
 Jakers  30 Apr 2008 18:22
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