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Domestic Violence Is A Hideous And Unfathomable Crime.
I hear so much in the news about horrible beatings and murder suicides. What is going on that so many people who supposedly loved their family are instead killing them? And why isn't divorce an option? Why isn't starting over an option? How can you go from a vow to love and cherish someone forever to instead destroying them? It's as if they have lower regard for their loved ones than for complete strangers they see in society. And what cowardice to give up and decide the rest must give up with you.
 Grenache  18 Aug 2008 21:20
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I AM SWEAR TO GOD SERIOUS............... My wife would think i didn't love her if I didn't hit her. I would think I didn't love her if I didn't hit her... But only if she did something wrong. I don't just go around beating my wife.
 
 mrcharisma  04 Oct 2008 14:47
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It's depressing how people can hurt their families, of all people.
 
 Sanareth  19 Aug 2008 20:56
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There are a lot of 'hideous and unfathomable' crimes, aren't there?
 
 sander  19 Aug 2008 19:52
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I agree women should stop beating up on their husbands.

They should learn that fake crying to the cops to get him arrested is just as bad.

Taking out an unwarranted restraining order to cut him off of his children is the same as kidnapping.

Filing Child support when it will cause them to lose their car, Jobs, House and everything is the same as not paying child support.

And oh yeah, men should not hurt women
 
 Calvin  19 Aug 2008 04:08
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 Calvin, you have made your point. I hear your point of view.
fair enough.
by  Scorpion
 19 Aug 2008 04:09
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Grenache, thank you for posting this debate topic.
No one else has the b@lls to.
And that is sad, because it is an important topic.

Sometimes a man loves to control a woman, he does not understand what love really is. So he hurts and even kills her, and he feels justified in doing so because she would not submit to his need to be in power over her to be controlled or to stay with him.
He is enraged, and breaks her fingers...leaves her to bleed to death with miscarriage of his baby......

Divorce, in some cases is a matter of life and death for the wife.
That is just a simple statement of fact.
Not really even a debate: Just the way it has to be.

Because, domestic violence is hideous unfathomable crime.
And the man walks away and does the same b.s. To his next wife.....and his next one after that one leaves him.
Until he ends up alone and old, with no one left to blame......

Maybe then, he realizes it was......HIM.......all that time??

One can only hope.
 
 Scorpion  18 Aug 2008 21:38
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 Scorp, I wanted to commend you on your comment.

Grenaches topic covers alot of ground and I'm sure it isn't intended to say that women in dangerous relationships should get an easy divorce. In the case of many women, leaving is a very dangerous option. Not only for her but whoever is helping her.

Anyway, nice comment.
by  justsumguy
 19 Aug 2008 01:17
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Yes I agree, I don't see how anyone could not. When domestic violence occurs it goes against everything a family or household is meant to stand for. If everybody thought rationally then domestic violence could be easily avoided, I can't see how love could be turned into hate.
 
 verum  18 Aug 2008 21:33
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 its about POWER and its all about CONTROL.
its not love.
by  Scorpion
 18 Aug 2008 22:18
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I fathom it, so therefore this statement is false.

You could have made a case for this if you had stopped at hideous.
 
 ur_wrong  04 Oct 2008 00:22
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It's impossible to properly take a side the way this argument is framed, as any hideous crime ever committed is obviously fathomable, at least to the perpetrator.

But as far as why things seem to be getting worse, try food additives, chemtrails, prescription drugs, Morgellons disease, popular culture, the ever-increasing economic divide, and the breakdown of the family unit, for starters.

 
 grokit  19 Aug 2008 08:26
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 The way this argument is framed? I see a lot of bold debate statements on this website, this isn't the first? And simply posing a question like so many do on the site is not actually a debate proposition.

Your list of factors which influence human behavior is interesting. But I still say no matter what challenges, conflict, suffering, chemicals, or sociopolitical influences are going on in your life it's no excuse to beat or kill your family. People don't except those reasons for if you kill a complete stranger on the street, they shouldn't accept them for killing your wife and kids either.
by  Grenache
 19 Aug 2008 13:52
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I am going to post over here too because of notion that it is unfathomable. Grenache makes a key statement when he says, "...people who supposedly loved their family...".

And that is all there is to it. What you have in almost all cases of domestic violence is two people who don't actually grasp the concept of not just love, but respect and self worth. When you get two minds that unhealthy together, it's almost unfathomable if it doesn't happen.
 
 Cons_Lies  19 Aug 2008 01:40
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 Really? "It's almost unfathomable if it doesn't happen" if they're not in love? Think of all the strangers who surround you in daily life, and the co-workers you spend as much time with as your family, and you don't "love" them the same as your family, but that doesn't mean you might be expected to physically abuse them or commit murder-suicide with them. Your own family ends up treated worse than complete strangers, and that's what's unfathomable.

But I do agree there's a fundamental problem with how these family members understand "love".
by  Grenache
 19 Aug 2008 13:47
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I will go ahead and post over here. Domestic violence can take many shapes.

Many people, children included have emotional disorders. These disorders can cause domestic violence in ways that are not hideous and unfathomable. And there are many other exceptions.

It's difficult to understand how loved ones can lose their minds with one another and not be able to physically restrain themselves but it is not always black and white.

It's easy to say it's hideous (of course it is) but not unfathomable.
 
 justsumguy  19 Aug 2008 01:25
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 It's a fair comment that domestic violence includes more than spouse on spouse physical violence. I'll still claim, however, that murder-suicides are hideous and unfathomable.
by  Grenache
 19 Aug 2008 13:41
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