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Demanding Citations For Statements Is Not "making Other People Do Your Research For You"
On several occasions I've demanded citations for statements, but instead of getting one, I get the above rant.
 Mark  20 May 2008 17:00
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One is responsible for the assertions made. If you are unable to support your assertion with either evidence or logic, then the assertion needs to be modified or retracted. Also, the citations are up for grabs too. If the citation is dubious in its nature or source then it too can be discredited. This is standard debate procedure.
 
 innomen  20 May 2008 18:12
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If someone makes a point, they have to be willing to provide a citation if asked. Otherwise it could be that the information has been made up on the spot or the person hasn't really researched the topic that thoroughly.

However, if you state that what another person has said is untrue, you yourself have to provide your own citation to prove your own point, not ask the other person to provide evidence against it.
 
 chaew  20 May 2008 17:38
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Coming from you, a godbot who ignores cited evidence presented to you, that's quite a hypocritical, or should I say hypochristian, statement.
 
 K9  01 Jul 2008 19:57
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If you throw out unresearched assertions without citations of your own to back them up, then demand that other people go and do the research required to refute them, and demand citations from them when they do, then yes, you are asking other people to go and do your research for you. You have a track record of doing this.

Unfortunately, the more you do it, the less seriously people will take you as a debater. Debates based on serious research from each side can be rewarding and enriching. But if you're just throwing random stuff out there without a clue, then you don't deserve to be taken seriously.

And making that remark isn't a rant. Like many cultists whose utterly conventional yet often ill-formed ideas are being challenged, you abuse the word rant to mean anyone expressing a disagreement with you. The word has a specific meaning. Why don't you go and "research" what it is?
 
 Hidell  20 May 2008 17:12
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 You throw around plenty of uncited nonsense (People denied Jesus was a Jew until the 20th century, the Peace Corps is a spy organization, etc.). At least I will hurl citations at people.
by  Mark
 20 May 2008 17:14
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