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Good one. It's kind of sad the linguistic gymnastics that some go thru to avoid saying 'Christmas'.
I saw a sign in one store that said 'great for holiday!'. |
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I couldn't agree more. It is enough that it has been commercialized beyond belief, which because I
have kids, I rather enjoy on some levels. I like giving to them and watching them and their
excitement, but watching adults become greedy and expect gifts is rather unnerving when the true
meaning of the day is lost on them. Then, there are those that write x-mas on everything. If one
is going to call it the holiday as you said or x-mas, why exchange gifts? What are they
celebrating? You are right...Christ's name is it's name. I think, in the world of the politically
correct, we have become so afraid that we may be speaking to a non-Christian that we are afraid to
refer to Christmas as anything other than a holiday. I personally say Merry Christmas and Happy
Holidays to everyone. If someone wants to be offended by my cheer, so be it. I also avoid other
politically correct terms at times. I am so tired of keeping up with them all. I don't do it to be
rude or inconsiderate. I feel that we are walking around on eggshells so as to not offend anyone
anymore, yet we have to be offended all the time. I'm at the mall with my kids and have to watch
kids come in with outfits that barely cover them and hear the string of profanities come out of
their mouths, yet I don't get my panties all in a bunch. Live and let live. If I choose to use a
word that some do not feel is politically correct, they will have to do the same as I do. Relax.
The word Christmas has meaning to many of us. It is not meant as a slight to those who practice
other religions. If I am aware of them practicing another religion, I wish them a Happy whatever
goes with that religion. My children are half Jewish, so I would not wish my ex in laws a Merry
Christmas, but I still refer to us celebrating Christmas. God and Christ is taken out of enough.
This holiday is about Christ and his name needs to be left in it.
Very good topic....Good time of year to start think of this. We are nearing the Christmas and,
truly, the Holiday season with other religions celebrating as well and with New Year coming up.
Hopefully, others will read this debate, whether they contribute or not and choose to use the word
Christmas this year. |
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Is December 25 not Christmas? Then why not call it Christmas? What's your point here? |
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Jesus wasn't born in December.
It came from a pagan celebration. |
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When you consider that the reason Dec 25th is christs birthday is because the church was trying to
convert pagans who celebrated yule at the same time. When sifting through the clues in the bible
Christ must have been born in late march/early april. Grazing herds and census. Remember the sun
stops moving south on dec 21st and appears to be motionless where it sets for three days with the
southern cross directly above, and then the sun is reborn on the 25th and slowly sets farther north
every day bringing on warmer weather and longer days. But the thing is calling it christmas. Santa
says ho ho ho merry christmas. Some say happy holidays, It doesn't matter at all what you say Its
how you act during the time of supposed peace and love. Sharing, caring, spreading joy. The
togetherness with family. Pity people couldn't act like that every day instead of having to create a
day to be nice to one another. |
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No.
It is the festival of lights. A pagan holiday in origins anyway.
Call it the winter holiday - because that is what it amounts to.
Suits all. |
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Why? Christmas was simply a stolen pagan holiday that the early church adopted in order to make
conversion of the local pagans easier. |
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1. The mythical "cheezus" did not exist. There is no evidence, only the claims of cults.
2. The catholic cult's imperialism (both physical and cultural) during the 4th to 7th centuries CE,
attacked and destroyed both the structures and symbols of other religions - the burning of
buildings, the destruction of statues, the claiming of others' "sacred lands", and most notably, the
commandeering and perversion of other religions' holidays by imposing their own. Winter solstice
and "hannukah" celebrations were perverted into "christmas", the Lupercalian festival became
"valentine's day", the festivals of Oestre became "easter", the end of harvest festival of Samhain
(pronounced "sow-en") became "all saints" and "all hallow's eve", or "hallowe'en", etc. All
christian "holidays" are perversions of numerous and various pre-existing religions' holidays; in
fact, many of the "saints" are in fact local religious figures co-opted by christians into their own
mythology. Most pre-christian religions were female centered (another reason christians sought to
destroy them), and many of their practices live on in the worship of mary as a supernatural figure,
rather than just a teenager that "god" raped to produce his mythical "son". (More likely, mary was
gettin' some on the side and lying to her cuckolded husband about being a virgin. It's not as if
there were OB/GYNs around to check.)
3. Even if the mythical "cheezus" existed, the birthdate most definitely was not in winter.
Shepherds in the Middle East, both now and 2000 years ago, do not take their flocks out to graze
during winter. The animals would freeze to death in those climates, and written works of people
from that time still exist to confirm that fact.
Edit:
Feremeir's response is so typically christian and unsurprising. |
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K9  25 Nov 2008 14:11
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It should be called Christmas by those that want to call it Christmas. It should also be called
Great Kumquat Day by anyone feels like it. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are very
important. There have been times and places where Christians were persecuted and this is not one of
them. Be glad you live in a place that you will always have the right to worship as you see fit and
afford others the same respect. |
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