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Theists want to molest children with religion for the same reason cigarette companies target their
ads ad children: If you don't get them hooked before they are 20 years old, you'll never get them
hooked.
The religious know it would be a losing battle if they could only target adults who are educated and
not yet indoctrinated into believing myths. Religion could never succeed or stand up on its own
merits if it couldn't warp the minds of the defenseless. |
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IMHO (I went to both a public school and a Christian School, and a Christian college) scaring
children with fire and brimstone, telling them that if they don't do XYZ they will burn for eternity
in hell is child abuse. They "believe" out of fear... I know, because I was one of them. The cr@p
SOME of the parochial schools teach their students should be illegal...BUT people who still believe
will never agree with that because they feel like they are helping save the children's souls. When
it comes down to it, we live in a free country, and we can teach our children in the manner in which
we see fit. I hope someday my children are thankful that I never shoved any belief system down
their throat, or forbade any belief or lack thereof. |
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I'd say that was a fair summary of the state of things within those schools. It is brainwashing and
indoctrinating a child into something they can't possibly understand. It could possibly have a deep
impact on them for life. Society should allow people to have freedom of choice and let them decide
for themselves. Religious institutions will no doubt hate Dawkins once again stating the truth and
will of course see this as a threat to how they have built their power base for years. |
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While there are some cases where this may be true. (finchs' FRLDS example), the vast majority are
good schools with good teachers attempting to teach their children what they believe to beneficial
teachings.
Actually, I look at them as the last bastion of hope for my children to survive the liberal
brainwashing going on in our public schools. |
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Indoctrinate children?
I used to think that way too, until I one day began to wonder. Well, why would their parents send
them there? What's the purpose? And it wasn't such a bad thing after all. I mean, it's not like the
parents are sending them to school with Nazi control like they did back in WWII (no choice for
some?). Christian schools teach about love and staying strong in God, and being selfless, though
many children don't follow it because they don't understand. Oh, and they do teach science, math,
language arts, etc., instead of "If God smited down one person, how many will be left on earth?"
(This is just an example. There's no question like that. But back in the days of Nazi Germany, the
Nazis created textbooks that was practically brainwashing and training kids to be soldiers with
questions like "To keep a mentally ill person costs approx. 4 RM per day, a cripple 5.50 RM, a
criminal 3.50 RM. Many civil servants receive only 4 RM per day, white collar employees barely 3.50
RM, unskilled workers not even 2 RM per head for their families. (a) Illustrate these figures with a
diagram. According to conservative estimates there are 300,000 mentally ill, epileptics, etc. In
care. (b) How much do these people cost to keep in total, at a cost of 4 RM per head? (c) How many
marriage loans at 1000 RM each … could be granted from this money?" Yeah, they had questions like
this everywhere from math and science to just about anything).
Many misunderstand too many. |
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If you want to accuse faith schools of brainwashing fine, but if you're going to call that
brainwashing you also have to call teaching evolution as absolute fact in secular schools
brainwashing as well. |
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To an extent brain washing your children is your right, even your job. Of course like anything else
there is a line past which this is unacceptable. For example I personally find the practices of the
FRLDS church (that compound down in Texas with all the pregnant teenagers) in regards to their
children particularly the female children absolutely repugnant and would dearly love to find a way
to put more of them in jail. On the other hand a Jesuit education is one of the finest primary
educations you can get in this country and they never really tried to brainwash me. So I’ll
disagree with Dawkins but there are extreme examples in this country where he would be correct in my
opinion. |
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In which I compare my Christian school experience with my Secular school experience. Hmm... I loved
my Christian school. Had great teachers. I miss them to this day.
Alright, Christian school wins over secular school. Now let's compare the Christian school to real
abuse and sexual degradation...
Ok. I made my conclusion. I prefer the family oriented environment over being a victim. Lol. |
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First, there is already a debate on this, but on to my position. Dawkins essentially labels the
raising of children up into any religious or belief system as fundamentally immoral (on some
vaporous claim to morality), which I take to be more than just incorrect, but absurd. There is no
such thing as neutrality. One's presuppositional framework and worldview comes to bear on everything
that person thinks, says, does, etc. It is inescapable. Children learn primarily by imitation. When
a child learns his first language, for example, it is through repeating the sounds made by his
parents. Furthermore, his particular regional accent is defined by the parents' use of it as well.
If one's fundamental beliefs and assumptions about reality (including the religious) come to bear on
all aspects of parents' lives, it seems rather inevitable for the child not to ingraft that into
himself. If something is necessary and inescapable, then, it cannot be labelled immoral, for
immorality implies choice to do otherwise. |
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