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In the present times it is absurd to affirm that there is only one God creator and deny the evolution of the species. Should all religions of the world be taught in a more credible way?
 theseeker  04 Dec 2007 14:47
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Science, fact and reason say that creationism is wrong. Only faith and irrationality says that creationism is right. Faith is belief without evidence or contrary to the evidence. There is no signature of God on the cosmos... It just seemed that way to our ancestors who couldn't explain things that today we take for granted. Yet some people still cling to bronze age scientific beliefs. Hilarious really. Science is always changing because we don't know everything, and anytime new evidence appears to contradict our theories, we change our theories to fit all the facts. Religion and creationism never changes. If presented with evidence they reject it. Sad really, and bad for the world.
 
 Sepheryn  14 Jul 2009 19:10
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Evolution happened.
God did it.
Everybody lives.
 
 OlieGarkey  23 Mar 2009 18:40
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 Well said mate i agree lol
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 30 Jun 2009 13:36
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I respect a persons right to believe in creationism but the fact that they do believe it completely baffles me. Creationist try to say that they have the answer, no arguments but the fact they say that makes it even more unbelievable. Evolutionist say we probably know what happened without saying that it is fact, the fact that we have an open mind makes it more appealing. I don't see what is so hard to believe about organisms adapting and changing over a long period of time. Creationism seems to me to be too flawed a theory to have anything credible about it. I'm not saying evolution is perfect but at least there is evidence to back it up and defend.
 
 kddan  26 Feb 2009 15:35
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I agree...
 
 Balance_92  22 Feb 2009 21:57
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The concept of Creationism is based on Christian beliefs. The belief that there is only ONE god and the He created everything. This concept is folly as is the concept of ONE god and the idea that humans are based on HIS looks.
This is the MOST pompous concept on earth. The universe is VAST and we cannot even see to the edges of it. We are but a tiny SPECK on the surface of the earth let alone the universe. We cannot possibly comprehend the origins of life on this planet or the reason why. It's like a cell in my liver understanding the concept of a skyscraper. Impossible.
This is a pompous and self-serving belief in order to preserve an already FLAWED faith. Those that think with an open mind already know this concept is ridiculous.
 
 vitiate  22 Feb 2009 21:53
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Creationism is a shamelessly dishonest, anti-scientific campaign against knowledge and human advancement. It should be laughed at, not debated.
 
 bunbun  15 Feb 2009 06:35
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I was reading some of the responses and comments on this idiotic topic. Ok...I'm laughing...it's some of the stupidest stuff I've ever read.

I'll humor our intelligent friends and say that "creationism" in the sense of a political movement is dumb. The reason it's dumb is because it is used in relation to the theory and FINDINGS of evolution.

Creation and evolution are two different things. The theory of evolution would have to go all the way back to the big bang and keep right on going where cosmology is headed to have anything to do with creation.

Even the silly notion of the Biblical timeline used by "creationists" could still be true if Adam and Eve were the first humans who were created in Gods image (no...not looking like Brad Pitt). In other words they were the first to get a soul. Autonomous. Thus, the story of humans with souls begins.

Anyway...all supression of thought is a bad thing. All thought should be taught. All possibilities. But it can't be.

I say let the fight continue. I say both sides are ignorant so let them wallow in the mire. We all know there are teachers who are going to push their "beliefs" or lack thereof onto children. The comments will be there. Oh yeah...we all know the religious will do it. Those of you don't think the non-believer will do it are idiots. Look at the posts on this site. You expect me to think that clear thinking realists aren't the same as these religious "pushers"? Well, I'm NOT stupid. They are humans. They are eager to push their views. If they don't like the belief in a God, you can bet they'll work the clay just like the religious pusher.

Fight over it in the governments and the press. Hold both your movements back. Some of us don't need either one.
 
 justsumguy  31 Dec 2008 03:51
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 The process of evolution is established fact. The theory of natural selection as the underlying mechanism is well supported. My insistence on empirical evidence to establish facts does not extend to my faiths. I don't need to twist scientific findings to justify my belief in God.
by  Lynn
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Of course it's wrong. Humans didn't spontaneously generate. But have any of you thought that maybe evolution was God's doing? It's said that God made people and then he made Adam and Eve. Could this point to evolution?...
 
 bookworm3  16 Dec 2008 01:58
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Creationism is definitely flawed.
 
 hellfire01  04 Dec 2008 14:51
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This does not need to be debated, Creationism is not a possible theory.
 
 Nando  24 Nov 2008 14:06
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 how is it not a possible theory because if i'm not mistaken the definition of a theory is an idea that has NOT been proved wrong so...
i would say it is up for debate
by  MM92
 31 Dec 2008 01:23
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Well I would rather say its not wrong.. Cause we don't know for sure, but the evidence does point towards evolution as the origin of species... But nothing is set in stone.
 
 Ribo  14 Oct 2008 02:59
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Sure it's wrong .. It's unprovable and yet !!
Afraid believers will say it's true since they believe it is the only thing they where tought
and that if they don't believe in the whole religion fairy tale, hell awaits them !!
So the moral is fear of death creates religion..
Yes yes FEAR of hell because they are told from a young age that hell is a bad place and it's scary !
 
 nalien  26 Sep 2008 01:27
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Yesterdays religon, is todays mythology.
At one time the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Norsemen, Native Americans ect.. All had a faith system that worshipped more than 1 diety.
Then there was a push to reject all beliefs but the belief of one god....
One god that societies hide behind in order to cram their traditions, morals and ethics down everyones throats.
Religious beliefs have been one of the major causes of war.
Too many people have died for religion, and IF there was a creator, I don't see how it would be content with how many of its creations have been destroyed in its name.
If in fact it is please, then it is an egotistical entity I want nothing to do with.
 
 pikadoodle  09 Sep 2008 11:07
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 Well said.
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The two go side by side
 
 keepmindok  27 Aug 2008 23:59
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Creationism is wrong, the big bang, and evolution explain existence far more reasonably than any diety. Please-no watchmackers debate, the fact the earth is complex does NOT prove it was created.
 
 JiM_McG  27 Aug 2008 23:52
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 You big banger always come up with unending, unexplainable stuff.. Our universe came from another one that collapsed that came from one that collapsed and on and on. Not the complexity, but the sameness of all the species is what really puts evolution in question to me. If some bunch of goo was going around picking up chromosomes or dna and sometimes dropping dna, you would expect to have some amazingly unusual creatures.
For instance the platapus, now that's like something you'd expect from evolution, it's a mess. Nope, we end up with EVERY other mammal on the whole earth essentially the same. Every mammal on earth has 7 vertebra in their neck, even if it can't move it's head,, like a whale. All their inners are even in the same locations, binocular vision,(none with eyes like a cameleon)
Birds are pretty much the same, lizards are pretty much the same (except the cameleon). Sorry, smacks way to much of intelligent design.
With the evolutionist usual "incompleteness of the geological record" excuse, you'd think they'd luck into finding a good missing link sooner or later.
And trying to say we came from apes..... they are off by 30,000,000 chromosomes groups,, not just chromosomes. A little child was born in India with 8 limbs recently, I believe 6 legs and 2 arms and she only had a few chromosomegroups messed up,, not 30 million. So If you want to believe you came from apes, that's up to you.
by  paladen
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I just can't believe it
 
 Lawyer  18 Aug 2008 06:51
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Evolution comes from looking at the facts and theorizing as to what they suggest. Creationism comes from trying to force the facts to fit an existing structure. They are in no way two equally valid theories trying to explain the same thing. In fact Creationism only exists as a politically generated religious controversy trying to discredit real science and work a certain segment of the voting population into a frenzy of fearful denial so that they will cast their vote and spend their campaign contributions in a predictable fashion.
 
 finsch  08 Jul 2008 21:14
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Anytime I hear the word "Creationism" I think of that Gary Larson cartoon in which god is rolling a snake out of clay and thinking to himself, "Well, shoot! This is easy!"

For the sake of this argument, I shall pretend that creationism is NOT a ludicrous idea that should be ignored.

This whole argument is based on a fallacy: That the world, and by the extension the cosmos, must have a purpose. It's the watchmaker argument in new clothing. But the fact remains that the world is not a watch. The fact remains that the Earth, and the creatures and plants upon it, are constantly changing. The theropods and diatrymas and trichordates are all gone. (Trichordates were marvelous creatures which existed long before the dinosaurs. They had a central brain stem with multiple nervous systems emanating from it; it was as if you had a spinal cord for each limb.)

So if Creationism is true, it includes creatures who were not well-enough designed to survive. Doesn't sound like intelligent design to me!

Then we have the problem of the fossil record. The fossils don't show a neat climb towards "irreducible complexity". Nor do they show species magically appearing. They show a slow steady climb from primitive to complex life, with many false starts and dead-ends.

That sounds less like design and more like a system for trying different things.

(And of course, the question the creationists never seem to hear: Who created god? But I think we know the answer to that one.)

Then you have the weirdnesses: Whale nostrils migrating to the backs of their heads; parrots who eat poisonous plants and then neutralize the poisons by chewing on alkali rocks (lorikeets); flightless birds with wings; a creature who lays eggs but gives milk (the platypus).

Now, do these sound like things that were created and placed here? Or do they sound like things that just had to make do?
 
 OzzieMan  02 Jun 2008 03:09
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 In that Far SIde strip God said "Wow! These things are a cinch!"
by  Mark
 16 Jun 2008 17:29
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I really on the fence on this issue who knows did God create evolution?
 
 waleo  24 May 2008 05:48
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 If you are religious, then you should know we were created in his image (Physical). How could that be true if we kept evolving?
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 26 May 2008 22:24
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It is definetly wrong! There is so much evidence on evolution it isn't even funny to suggest that there was "creation"
 
 lavatis  06 May 2008 21:00
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 What evidence?
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Creationism is literally wrong. This is why it, along with intelligent design, has been labelled a pseudoscience by the mainstream scientific community. This means that it is a body of knowledge that claims to be scientific, but does not adhere to the scientific method. It is wrong that we should encourage such irrational and illogical ideas, as they degrade the value of science, and disregard the theory of evolution and the big bang theory which is the most plausible explanation for the current state of the universe.
 
 ibanex_87  04 May 2008 12:55
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Well, this is always going to be a matter of opinion, but I must say, evolution and natural selection are far more likely than one omnipotent being creating the infinite universe in little more than 6 days. Creationists always baffle me with their complete lack of logic and unwavering faith in Genesis. I'm all for intelligent design, and can respect that theory, but being atheist, creationism seems way to innacurate. For example, if we are all made in the image of God, does that mean that this all powerful being has the potential for evil, as we do?
 
 Jakers  28 Apr 2008 19:06
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 you go jake, awesome argument xD
by  chaew
 04 May 2008 12:36
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If a building is on fire, a scared little child huddles in a corner and thinks everything will be okay or hopes the fire leaves. A mature adult looks for an exit and gets out of danger.

The Cretins - sorry, creationists - think they can hide away from reality and the reality of there being no supernatural beings can be wished away. Those of a scientific mind look for answers and at least try to figure out what's going on instead of hoping a non-existent being will solve everything for them.
 
 K9  19 Apr 2008 17:06
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 The same can be said about atheists. They are afraid of an all powerful being watching their every move, so they choose to deny its existence. Christians don't wait for every decision that comes to them to be answered by God, they just think that some answers require a higher knowledge, and ask for answers to come to them. It seems immature, but at one time it also seemed immature that the world was round, it also seemed immature that the Earth revolved around the sun, and it really does seem immature that a vast space of matter such as the universe started off as a little speck no bigger than the size of your everyday atom.
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How old is the Earth for all of you on the against side?
 
 openurmind  20 Mar 2008 19:35
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 I have asked this to a few of them without getting an answer. I guess they are still adding up the ages of people in the Bible.
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I don't think many people on this web page can comment without a detailed knowledge and understanding of the nature and concept of evolution. (This includes the evidence to support it). This point could be seen as sightly hypocritical, but I saw no better place to put my argument than in the section that agrees with my ill-informed opinion.
 
 sceptic101  18 Mar 2008 19:10
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I’m not completely sure on what boundaries the creator of this topic is meaning to be discussed by their declaration of “Creationism is wrong” title, however, if what is being said is meant to imply that Creationism does not have explanatory power, I must undoubtedly agree.

I’ve seen a lot of comments claiming the contrary within this debate and I must say that most of which are not even worth considering, due to the fact that the arguments are poorly enforced and most fall short of anything except opinionated reasoning. But for those that are worth considering, I will briefly address them. For starters, I’ve seen a few people stating that Creationism accommodates for almost anything. Let me point out that accommodation is not the same as explanation. An explanation tells why something is one way and not another. A theory that accommodates anything explains nothing, because it does not rule out any possibilities. Accommodating all possibilities also makes a theory completely useless. Since creationism accommodates all possibilities, by claiming “God did it”, it is not explanatory in any sense whatsoever. In fact, as I phrased it in another topic of discussion, the explanatory power of Creationism is basically equivalent to saying “It’s magic”.

I’m also surprised at the number of people who seem to believe that complexity automatically indicates design. This is nothing but an “argument from incredulity”. On a similar topic, the majority of people supporting the Creationist point of view seem to instinctively assume that design must have an anthropomorphized designer. Design itself in no way implies a personified deity for it’s designer. For example, designs appear in the clouds with no more of a designer than uneven heating, evaporation, and other natural causes. I’d like to end my statements with a particular question for the Creationist supporters. If the original designer (God) did not need a designer to design it, why do you conclude everything else did/does?
 
 Hizashi  17 Mar 2008 11:40
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 Scientific laws do not apply to what is not physical- only to what's physical. In the physical universe, there is a "law" of cause and effect, action and reaction. To say that any physical cause was the ultimate cause for all natural things is wrong because it would have to have a cause itself, and so, it would not be the ultimate cause. Because the unscientific, proposed idea of deity is not a physical cause, it is not subject to the law of cause and effect seen in the universe, making it the only possible explanation for the ultimate cause question that does not contradict science. Point out the flaw in this reasoning, please.

What is the ultimate cause to you if you admit there had to be one?
by  Stranger
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Creationism (especially Young Earth Creationism) is one of the most successful myths ever encouraged. The Archbishop of County Armagh in Ireland, John Ussher, once announced that, according to his great understanding of the Bible, the Earth was created in the evening preceding October 23rd 4004 BC.
While I do not begrudge Mr. Ussher his beliefs, I do not believe his belief should be supported through public education. The problem with Ussher's belief (as well as many other less blatantly irrational theories of when the earth came into existence) is that they tend to purposely disregard the stubborn evidence which indicates that the earth is much older than they say. Geology is the science which first indicated the age of the earth. But soon thereafter Archaeologists began building off of the work the geologists were doing showing that we can trace human lineage to a time when there were human-like creatures but no actual humans.

This debate has had a lot of back and forth regarding what evidence exists one way or another. And all of that is somewhat beside the point. Science is not about what you can prove to be true. Science is about what you can prove to be FALSE. Most creation myths are not supported by the evidence at hand. But part of the problem of the idea of Creationism is that it keeps shape-shifting as creationists are slowly confronted with evidence which seems to contradict their beliefs. Their responses are usually quite creative. Anything rather than consider their original assumptions might have been inaccurate. If you're interested in some of the fascinating other explanations that are out there you can check out Kentucky's Creation Museum (but watch out: They're very sensitive to being ridiculed).

Finally, there is the topic of Intelligent Design Theory. And this theory, is actually not refuted by any of the data that is out there. But I DO NOT consider Intelligent Design Theory a Scientific Theory because it cannot actually be disproved. Intelligent Design holds that human life and, indeed, life itself could not have formed into the various complex life forms we see across the globe today without some Divine Hand at work in the process. But this theory cannot be said to be Scientific because there is no way to disprove this statement. Could we measure the "variation" or the "complexity" of a life-form in some impartial, standard way? No. These are terms of art not empirically descriptive terms.
 
 donphilipe  15 Mar 2008 08:44
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It's really funny that people against evolution say that there's no way something so complex could have just "happened" and that there's no proof for it, so it must be God. There is no proof for God certainly, but there is a wealth of information and proof of evolution.
Just because it is still a theory doesn't mean it's not legitimate. Gravity is still a theory - we know it exists in some way, we just can't figure out why or how. Does this mean gravity is not real? Of course not! There is something that makes two objects draw closer together, and whatever that thing is it's what we're calling gravity. The same can be said for evolution. It's obvious that it happened, we're just in the process of figuring out how and why.
 
 Moegreche  14 Mar 2008 11:59
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 It is not really even a theory because no truly scientific theory contradicts science as macroevolution and the big bang idea do. You've heard my arguments for that. Whoever wants to hear them, just ask. The proof for "God" is that only deity could be the ultimate cause. No physical explanation can be proposed that can be an ULTIMATE cause. What does that mean? That deity, the only explanation that does not contradict science, was the first cause. Deity is not physical and, thus, not subject to physical laws such as cause/ effect or action/ reaction.
by  Stranger
 14 Mar 2008 20:39
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There is only one creator for you to think other wise is crazy.
 
 nelson12  12 Mar 2008 17:07
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Not many words are needed to reinforce this point. We've seen evidence for many different ways life could have been created through natural processes, some we've observed in real time ourselves. We've seen no such evidence for a spontaneous creation however.
 
 Kunado  01 Mar 2008 18:13
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 What evidence? What is "observed in real time" that proves natural processes could have made life in the ultimate origin?
by  Stranger
 12 Mar 2008 16:45
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Creationism / intelligent design are philosophies and not scientific fact, unfortunately some people try to pass them off as such to justify their own beliefs.

Don't get me wrong, everybody is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs, but do not try to pass off creationism as a science. Creationism is a belief, faith is required, it is in no way a science.

I always find it strange that so many Americans are unwilling to embrace evolution. I live in the UK which has more secular views and have never met anybody who who would deny evolution or defend creationism.
 
 skywalker  29 Feb 2008 23:28
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 Why do you believe in macroevolution?
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Very wrong
 
 vgking13  29 Feb 2008 23:10
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 How?
by  Stranger
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Personally i find it hard to believe in creationism as it's from a source i find unreliable.
Whereas evolution is just a theory, it is an attempt at explanation as opposed to a blanket explanation which says that it was designed by a great designer.
 
 Damian  24 Feb 2008 03:44
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 Only an un-natural agent could be the cause for all of nature.
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God does exist, he created evolution... Maybe evolution did occur (scientific proof says it does), however God created it. There is proof God exists, and proof creationism occurred... So I run with both sides... Until more proof unearths itself.
 
 baconbust  21 Feb 2008 16:11
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 I want to appreciate your point of view, except the underlying thing behind evolution is that if evolution is what it is, then it would suggest god is somehow related to evolution. in other words, if god 'just made' evolution then wouldn't evolution be more spontaneous than the way it seems to be practical and aesthetically inclined. Better worded, it's very easy to appreciate different elements of evolution. We can look back at past species, past civilizations and see what has been ammended, what has been retained. Whereas with god... what? He just made evolution? He just made evolution to have evolution eventually make us? Then we eventually maintain the future for others? Why didn't he 'just created evolution' why didn't he just create humans straight out, the way the bible says.
I think we're just bridging the gap according to where we've come. Evolution doesn't answer the questions of origins. It addresses our own curiosity in ourselves and our surroundings. We're just trying to backtrack as far as we can and apply it to the beginning of time, like religion tried to do, neither exactly nailing it. The day may never come. Does it really matter? :)
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Faith is never wrong. God is never wrong. Therefore, this whole argument against God is wrong.
 
 joylove101  26 Oct 2009 11:52
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 Absolutes rarely exist; that is to say if one has ever existed.

How can you know faith is never wrong, when by definition, faith possesses no qualities what so ever to discover the actual truth?

It's simply empty, or mindless, reasoning.
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Who are you to say that a whole beleif is wrong? I know you are entitled to your opinion but dont call it asurd
 
 WelshyRhi  30 Jun 2009 13:40
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I'm on the fence here, because I believe in a creationism hybrid: God made the apes, then they evolved, the first ones were Adam and Eve.
 
 BradP27  17 Jun 2009 03:46
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There are no facts in evolution, we don't know what Gods definition is for what all these scientists are wanting to claim is fact.

What is fact is Christians are persecuted almost everywhere, what is fact is they can not stand up in class and say hallelujah without the teacher telling them they are offending people.

People can argue God their whole life, and they will, its says they will in the Bible. Furthermore all you people can believe the intelligence of other people and say "These scientists are so much more smarter than you are, its great the things they have created cures etc, but that's just it. THEY created it, and God gave them the intelligence or ability to.

God gave us all the ability to believe and choose what we want, and while you want to believe in a History or Science Book that's fine but they always change, simply because Scientists can not stick to one theory, their theories are ever changing, the constitution is ever changing, and for the people that believe what all these scientists say, maybe you are just little lab rats they are testing their theories on.

I don't need religion to believe in God and I don't need theology or words to prove his exists.
Yet all you evolution buffs need facts to prove you came from a monkey, I laugh when I think about how much Darwin is laughing at all the people who believed in and follows his simple means of gaining a pay check.

We believe the Government is deceitful, corrupt, manipulative, they have their own agenda.

My question are who funds all these scientific researches and furthermore when the Antichrist if there is one appears, what facts will he give to why thousands of people disappear into thin air let me guess, Maybe Aliens, or a new way of evolving coming into play. Its okay people "God didn't return, we just lost all the children because their little bodies could not hold up to the new found pressure in our atmosphere right.
 
 cherie  02 Mar 2009 16:54
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 One question that came to mind when I read this was, if you don't need religion to believe in god as you stated, how did you come across the concept of god in the first place?
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If you would like to believe in evolution that is fine. But I have serious doubts. If we originally came from monkeys then why are there still monkeys? Why did they not evolve too? To me this just doesn't make much sense to me. Sorry.
 
 jaykaywy  28 Feb 2009 23:27
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Evolution is pseudoscience. There is no objective proof for it. It is just a theory that scientists have become so enamored by that they take it as fact. I am not a "Young Earth" creationist, I am an "Intelligent Design" creationist.. Evolutionists like to put all creationists in the same category, but there's a big difference between Young Earth and ID creationism even though we both reject Evolution.
 
 IdeasMan  13 Feb 2009 21:27
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 Does creationism have objective proof?
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It states quite clearly that God made the earth in 6 days and on the 7th day he rested. Anyone who tells you otherwise is HELL BOUND and have no respect for our creator. Of course creationism is correct.
 
 godfighter  03 Feb 2009 16:43
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God made all things. He is your Creator.
 
 Mystery  16 Dec 2008 01:50
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Yes, It is absurd to affirm only one "God". There are many religions in this world, each with their own god(s). Also, to deny the evolution (another belief system) would be absurd.

And I'm just curious as to the "more credible way"?!? Each person's opinions are different. Therefore what one person may feel is credible may not be so to another.
 
 SlyOne  29 Oct 2008 04:02
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 If I tried to pay for a meal with "Monopoly" money would you not be absurd to affirm that your currency was the only currency that was acceptable? If my opinion that "Monopoly" money is good why would you not accept it?
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Snore...snore...if you cant be a little bit more ignorant, go cut yourself.
 
 chrisby  07 Oct 2008 18:12
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No, i disagree. There is plenty of information in our scientific knowledge base that points toward a creator. Check out lee strobels "the case for a creator'
 
 created  21 Sep 2008 21:48
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First of all, what are we debating here, Creationism, or the teaching of world religions?
Secondly, there has recently been a resurgence of militant atheistically writing, however, these works, do not go very far to prove atheism, or evolution. Looking from the outside, it's interesting to note that recently there has also been numerous books written by influential scientists, not necessarily religions people, who have been asking if it is possible that there is a creator or designer. These questions come from their research. Some examples are Michael Behe, "Darwin's Black Box", and Francis Collins book on DNA. Presently, the arguments are coming from both sides rather rapidly, and honestly, it would appear that those from the atheistic side are focusing on discrediting religion, while those from the theistic/deistic/agnostic side, are simply pointing out that scientific research seems to point in a different direction than the popular atheistic evolutionary point of view.
 
 Romains1  11 Sep 2008 20:53
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 Oh, you mean Behe, who was made to look like a complete fool at the Dover intelligent design trial when it was revealed he didn't have a clue what science said about anything? Or Francis Collins, whose conversion to Christianity came in the form of finding a waterfall frozen in three parts in the woods and magically coming to the conclusion it meant there was a God?

If those are the best examples you can come up with, your position is laughable.
by  Cephus
 11 Sep 2008 21:16
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I'm against the idea that God created everything from dust but i believe that God or whatever did create the Big Bang, evolution and so on. I just find it to hard to believe, personally, that so many coincidences could cause such a perfect world(correct distance from the sun, not to do with human problems), with the exact distance needed for life to exist. That's just my view though. Is that sought of sitting on the fence?
 
 laphkus99  08 Sep 2008 17:29
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 Who said it was a perfect world?
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OK guys... Lets get some stuff straight. The first rule in Science is that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed from one kind into another... So tell me if it was not created then there was no creator. Fair enough. BUT, if it was not created how did we come to be from a cosmic burp about 4.6 billion years ago, a little bit of slime which just became more and more - that's creating all over again. So both scenes involve creationism, but the thing it boils down to is faith. Hebrews 11:6 "Without faith, It is IMPOSSIBLE, to please God, those that come to him must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of those that diligently seek him!"
 
 nic_glutz  18 Aug 2008 19:55
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 We didn't come from a little bit of slime. A previous universe collapsed in on itself, causing an explosion, gravity made tons of the matter attract to one another to create planets. We evolved from tiny microscopic beings, we grew from the things we consumed, the things we consumed grew from light energy that came from the sun, we evolved due to natural selection. But i do want to know what created the first microscopic beings!!!!! Possibly a God? But not the christian one because he claims to have created man in the form we are in now.

Maybe minerals chemical reactions became microscopic plant life overtime after they became incased?? Then these became mobile, tose that became mobile became animal life, those that didn't became plats??? Jut theorising, but is good enough for me. Certainly an improvement on you are the result of thousands of years of inbreeding from two people.
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Evolution somehow implies that one species becomes another. In other words apes became humans. But we still have apes. As far as the mutations which occur today-Considered the concept that we probably made them possible. Who knows what we've created with all of the chemical we need to provide us with the "material things" we think we need. What other books do you know that inspire such emotions in one direction or another other than the bible. That in itself should tell you something. See, you may not listen but you know God is there becasue I don't care how mad you are-when you are about to make a bad decision you hear him telling you it's wrong. He's always there. If the voice in your head was "your" conscious, you'd have some control over it. You could make it think like you think, but that doesn't happen. That voice is from outside of you, from somewhere else. That voice always pushes for what is right and unless you just completely block it out, it's always there even though we don't listen. He won't leave us. Baby, He's real.
 
 T00TY33  23 Jul 2008 15:25
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 In case you haven't noticed, there is scientific proof for evolution. The biological and atanomical structures of chimpanzees are inceibly similar to humans. Added to this we can see layers of dead animals when we dig far enough into the ground. We see viruses evolving the human race has evolved, from our ancestors who rubbed sticks together to the pharoahs, to us now.
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First of all, who says that because there is a Creator there can't be evolution to an extent. When you go blind most people find their other senses are intensified. Isn't this a type of evolution? I don't believe in evolution as in a drastic change from a fish to a monkey and then to a human (if NASA and the top scientists wanted to prove this they could put bacteria on Mars and see if humans develop from it. The conditions there are better than the Earth was supposed to be like in it's earlier years.) I think that evolution can occur in minor stages like a species adapting to a new circumstance.
Second, how do you explain that a bunch of matter spread out gradually formed into a whole universe without some higher intelligence? If you can explain that to me and how by some miracle one planet got all the necessities for life while every other planet only got pieces of it then your theory might hold some water.
If you honestly believe that a universe can be created randomly without any explanation than why can't humans with all our intelligence make anything that lasts half as long.
Who said that just because God created the world doesn't mean he didn't use science. Science isn't something that is used for denying a higher power, it helps enforce it. Take the carbon dating that is used to prove the earth is billions of years old for example. In the Bible it talks about how the earth was created in seven days, who says that those days are the same length of our days? The truth of the matter is that how old the earth has no bearing on creationism.
You people say that creationism is "illogical" and flawed, but maybe you should look at your own theories. You have no proof. You say it's illogical, how is the Big Bang any more logical? A ton of matter randomly forming into planets. Think about it long and hard before you reply.
 
 shortdawg  02 Jul 2008 01:46
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Creationism is most certainly not wrong.

This debate totally refers to your theological affiliation, I suppose, but here goes.
I will using one of my very awesome analogies for this.
If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
I say the universe must have a cause.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Therefore, God exists.
This may sound a little closed minded... But think about it for a minute.
(www.allaboutphilosophy.org)
 
 XieXie  26 May 2008 18:42
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 You've really done your homework.
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I don't understand why?
 
 higack  25 May 2008 14:25
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I believe that creationism is correct. I realize it is a theory, but so is evolution. There is no proof that evolution is fact, yet it is taught in schools. Creationism should be given the same opportunity and people should be given the right to choose for themselves.
 
 weep4souls  25 May 2008 10:20
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 It's the fact that evolution is supported by more facts than creationism. That is why it is taught in schools.
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It's not completely accurate either way. Creationism can make sense if you stop thinking that everything that was translated from God to human ears wasn't perfectly written in the Bible. The main arguments that I have are the facts that God is infinite, so one day for us could be one thousand years for him/her. Maybe the evolution of homo sapiens was done by God, but just taken out of context by the very humans that heard it first. Seven days for the creation of the Earth is absurd, but how can you prove that God actually said seven days? Maybe Adam and Eve were the point of evolution where we discovered our consciousness? To argue that God doesn't exist because it's not logical is slightly childish, simply because all other "answers" aren't even finished ones. No one has still found a plausible solution to the big bang theory, and besides the creation of everything by a higher power, that theory is the only strong argument that nonbelievers have. I am not for or against this topic, but it just seems that my side of the argument fits better into the "against" category. Atheists don't have any more answers to the creation of the universe than Christians do. The only reason why atheists make sense is because their side of the argument always uses logic, and in this day and age, logic is the one and only true.
 
 ConvoPiece  21 May 2008 20:00
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 Not only logic, but they're comparing 3 pages of a book that wasn't about creation as it's main topic against millions of pages of He said , she said, rapped around swiss cheese logic
by  stever
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It depends on yourself myself would not but i wouldn't look down on someone who does want that way.
 
 blazer1968  06 May 2008 22:58
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Creationism is right
 
 nike1989  06 May 2008 09:34
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Creationism is right and wrong in my opinion
i think god created evolution and adam and eve are just two of the first humans.
 
 conor  30 Apr 2008 21:56
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 you do realize that the first humans didn't look anything like us today. they were more ape-like
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Creationism is right. Now don't go assuming "Mark is some Fundy wacko who thinks the Earth is flat and 6000 years old and evolution is fake!" I do not think anything of the sort. The Earth is about 4 billion years old, happens to be round, and evolution is true. If you accept the fact the universe exists and has a beginning, it becomes obvious it was actively designed. If you don't, then, well, I feel sorry for you. EDIT: I've been corrected on what creationism means these days. It's nonsense.
 
 Mark  30 Apr 2008 02:05
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 Actually the earth is 4.5 billion years old. The Universe is believed to be 13.73 billion years.
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Every one can agree that before the Earth and everything else there was nothing, well answer this question how was everything created, lets think about the "Big Bang Theory" how could nothing collide to form something, someone had to place and create everything, this person was God, in Genesis 1:1 in the beginning he created the heaven and the Earth meaning everything was created, another thing that disproves evolution is that apparently for evolution to occur it takes millions of years, well if that's true that's that theory completely blown out of the water as the earth is only approx 6,000 years old, and if you say well there was dinosaurs before that you will say that they died out over 6,000 years ago, so if this is true explain why dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible (Job 40) describes behemoth. Behemoth does not mean dinosaur, behemoth was a dinosaur. Anyway dinosaur is a relatively new word it was only created after the first fossils were uncovered. I am fully aware what the science textbooks say but i believe they are wrong.
 
 andrewcaul  27 Mar 2008 01:25
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 I’m glad you seem to have spoken for everyone when you made your first statement. Besides that, I’d like to see some objective evidence that supports the theory that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Please note that I said “objective” evidence, not scriptures from the Bible that you interpret to mean that the Earth is no older than 6,000 years. Also, your history is appalling Andrewcauls. Dinosaurs became extinct around 65 million years ago. I really don’t know what science textbook you’re reading from. On another point, please inform me of how the word “behemoth” and the word “dinosaur” are synonyms for one another. I’m a bit confused as to why you think "behemoth" means "dinosaur".
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What is creation and what is a creator? Do things that obviously have a design mean that they are designed? There are many things that point to a creator in our world. Our world, in my opinion, has an obvious design. I think that everything that works together to function, functions because it was designed to function. If this is true, then there must be a designer and creator.
 
 roxanne  15 Mar 2008 07:36
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 Well, I think you've hit on it exactly! All things that exist were formed in some way. From Astronomy we can see the building blocks for all matter being formed through nuclear fusion in stars which eventually go supernova. And so our own bodies are made of stardust. And yet what started the first stars? The typical physicist will say "The Big Bang". But what caused the Big Bang? The short answer: No one knows.

But on a much smaller scale we can say that each of us was very literally created by our parents. And in some ways that is a much more relevant piece of information than anything a physicist could tell us about the Big Bang.
by  donphilipe
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Creationism is a lot better religion than believing that snakes can turn into lizard i am a christian and i am proud of it
 
 viking435  06 Mar 2008 23:27
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 Stop being proud of your beliefs and start being proud of the things you accomplish in your life.
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YOU CAN`T see wind, or air... But they exist. Where do you think emotions came from?... How do you think we are able to breathe, and how do you think our bodies are designed so perfectly that all the blood flows exactly where its supposed to and our heart beats exactly when its supposed to?!.... Only God can create this.
 
 sweetrvng  23 Feb 2008 21:58
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 But you can prove that wind and air exist, emotions have various parts of the brain, breathing is part of respiration, blood flow is the heart and gravity. --- We know how they work - for that reason there is no need for us to assume that God designed them. The Bible does not provide proof, it just claims.
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Do you people believe the universe just magically appeared or the reasonable answer that a divine being who always existed created? What is the origin according to you?
 
 Stranger  15 Feb 2008 20:26
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Creationism is most certainly NOT wrong, not at all. Here is why:
- Scientific evidence -
-How could a complex race such as humanity allegedly 'evolve' (remembering that evolution is still not proven, it is a theory) from a muddy little microbe with no ability to think 'outside the box' be able to come to us, the species we are.
-People say, well, Darwin was a genius! Guess what. He did not make good grades, he made an educated guess.
- Evolution is a theory.
- GOOGLE evolution proof and you will get a lot of maybes, possibles, we thinks, and likelys. There is none. And is there is any that does not have gaping holes in it? I think not.
- Religious Reasons-
These are the ones that are most effective.
- God said in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth', look it up sometime.
- Evolution is a theory.
- Go ask a pastor or priest. You will see.
Either way, you will eventually realize you are wrong.
-We are all sinners, me you. Nothing can change that. I may be getting off subject, but please consider this. Good Bye.
 
 -125_  13 Feb 2008 02:07
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 wouldn't you say that your belief that the bible is infallible is based the timeless theory that god wrote it?
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Do you really believe man crawled out of slime and muck? Scientists have no proof that man evolved, none whatsoever and they cannot explain the missing link to Darwins theory.
God never said we were the first people on earth, IN the beginning, just means our beginning of our time. Adam and Eve. The earth was a dark abyss of water, Starting over again probably. In Isiah, he asks God, were you not the one who slayed the dragons? (dinosaurs??) There are other creatures in the bible, fallen angels, that had children with women of man.....on and on. Again, do the research before making such an opinion, and read the bible!

The Bible itself never actually states that the universe is 6,000 years old. The Bible never gives any age or suggests an age of the universe. Creationists have concluded that the universe is around 6,000 years old. I personally think the universe is much older than that. I do not believe, however, that the universe is millions or billions of years old. Can anyone comprehend a million years? I certainly can't! I can't even begin to wrap my mind around people who have billions of dollars!

Also, scientist have admitted they find it is almost impossible to link the DNA between humans and any type of monkey, or ape. It is just their theory! NO scientific facts.

OK, about the comment at the bottom. Don't know Carl Sagan. If I must get technical then here it is....."the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters." Hmmm...kind of sounds like what it may have been after the dinousaurs were killed off?? Just a theory. I believe we will all see the day where science and religion come together. They do not have to be seperate! I feel God is the one who has given us scientific knowledge, but man in all his power and might refuses to acknoledge the presence of a Divine Being. Some day, the veil will be lifted to the spiritual world. Then we shall know all things. Prophesy of the bible, (which by the way has a 100% accuracy record so far) No other book can claim that. You should watch some of the programs on the History channel. They are shows that show archeological proof of the stories of the bible. They are very inspiring. God Bless and may you find your faith.
 
 morallaw  02 Feb 2008 03:29
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 It's fine if you don't believe in evolution, but you can't make generalizations saying that scientist have no proof whatsoever that men evolved. Compare homo sapiens, to Neanderthals, to homo habilis... there is definitely evidence out in the scientific world. whether you buy into it is another thing.
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There has been proof uncovered that creationism is correct, along with proof that evolution is wrong. But I can guarantee you that within the next two decades, scientists will say they were wrong on evolution, but will invent a whole new concept there and then. I can guarantee you, just wait and see.
 
 TyWhyHiTy  30 Jan 2008 00:46
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 Then why don't you point us to that "proof"? Why not? Because it doesn't exist, of course. Theists have lost debate after debate over creationism, simply because it's based solely on faith, not facts. It's downright ignorance that keeps creationists going, ignorance of the facts, ignorance of the evidence and willful ignorance that the Bible was never intended to be a science book.
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All these things the evolutionist are saying about Creationists just see what the want to see are absolutely correct. But you have to understand that evolutionists to the exact same thing. We all have presuppositions that determine how we see things. The evolutionist worldview cannot account for things such as logic or scientific laws because they have no absolute standards and steal from the Christian worldview. To evolutions, they cannot be anything more than social conventions and it simply does not follow. According to that, there could just as well be a society that says it is the case that my car is in the parking lot and it is not the case that my car is in the parking lot. Laws of logic are not conventional nor are the laws of science and simply cannot be explained in the evolutionary worldview. The Christian worldview explains this completely because they are the character of God, exhibited in us.
 
 davidsuggs  19 Jan 2008 21:27
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Your argument is like, "are you with me or against me?" There are so many colours between black and white. I am believer in Creator, and I believe in evolution as well. Evolution of species does exist. Babies evolve in the womb of mother, trees evolve, insects and animals evolve, earth evolves, in fact the whole universe has evolved in the past 14 billion years. That doesn't prove that there is no 'EVOLVER". It only shows that Creator choose the evolution process in our creation.
 
 Obsession  18 Jan 2008 21:57
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 Do you believe in macroevolution?
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I'm AGAINST IT!!!
Ahh!! I love the arguments in everyone the "against it" section. It totally rings true to my heart. I do see God everywhere! His beauty. Creation is just too darn beautiful to believe that it all evolved and happened by chance. People (part of creation) are just too amazingly built: Reproductive system, ears, eyes, brain, mind, a conscience (the sense of right and wrong),etc. I just will NEVER allow myself to believe in anything different than a creator.
 
 taffy4jc  18 Jan 2008 01:19
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