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In the present times it is absurd to affirm that there is only one God creator and deny the evolution of the species. Should all religions of the world be taught in a more credible way?

theseeker

04 Dec 2007 14:47

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keepmindok

27 Aug 2008 23:59

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Creationism is wrong, the big bang, and evolution explain existence far more reasonably than any diety. Please-no watchmackers debate, the fact the earth is complex does NOT prove it was created.

JiM_McG

27 Aug 2008 23:52

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You big banger always come up with unending, unexplainable stuff.. Our universe came from another one that collapsed that came from one that collapsed and on and on. Not the complexity, but the sameness of all the species is what really puts evolution in question to me. If some bunch of goo was going around picking up chromosomes or dna and sometimes dropping dna, you would expect to have some amazingly unusual creatures.
For instance the platapus, now that's like something you'd expect from evolution, it's a mess. Nope, we end up with EVERY other mammal on the whole earth essentially the same. Every mammal on earth has 7 vertebra in their neck, even if it can't move it's head,, like a whale. All their inners are even in the same locations, binocular vision,(none with eyes like a cameleon)
Birds are pretty much the same, lizards are pretty much the same (except the cameleon). Sorry, smacks way to much of intelligent design.
With the evolutionist usual "incompleteness of the geological record" excuse, you'd think they'd luck into finding a good missing link sooner or later.
And trying to say we came from apes..... they are off by 30,000,000 chromosomes groups,, not just chromosomes. A little child was born in India with 8 limbs recently, I believe 6 legs and 2 arms and she only had a few chromosomegroups messed up,, not 30 million. So If you want to believe you came from apes, that's up to you.

paladen

28 Aug 2008 00:29

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You big banger always come up with unending, unexplainable stuff.. Our universe came from another one that collapsed that came from one that collapsed and on and on. Not the complexity, but the sameness of all the species is what really puts evolution in question to me. If some bunch of goo was going around picking up chromosomes or dna and sometimes dropping dna, you would expect to have some amazingly unusual creatures. 
For instance the platapus, now that's like something you'd expect from evolution, it's a mess. Nope, we end up with EVERY other mammal on the whole earth essentially the same. Every mammal on earth has 7 vertebra in their neck, even if it can't move it's head,, like a whale. All their inners are even in the same locations, binocular vision,(none with eyes like a cameleon) 
Birds are pretty much the same, lizards are pretty much the same (except the cameleon). Sorry,  smacks way to much of intelligent design. 
With the evolutionist usual "incompleteness of the geological record" excuse, you'd think they'd luck into finding a good missing link sooner or later.
And trying to say we came from apes..... they are off by 30,000,000 chromosomes groups,, not just chromosomes. A little child was born in India with 8 limbs recently, I believe 6 legs and 2 arms and she only had a few chromosomegroups messed up,, not 30 million.  So If you want to believe you came from apes, that's up to you.

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You big banger always come up with unending, unexplainable stuff.. Our universe came from another one that collapsed that came from one that collapsed and on and on. Not the complexity, but the sameness of all the species is what really puts evolution in question to me. If some bunch of goo was going around picking up chromosomes or dna and sometimes dropping dna, you would expect to have some amazingly unusual creatures. 
For instance the platapus, now that's like something you'd expect from evolution, it's a mess. Nope, we end up with EVERY other mammal on the whole earth essentially the same. Every mammal on earth has 7 vertebra in their neck, even if it can't move it's head,, like a whale. All their inners are even in the same locations, binocular vision,(none with eyes like a cameleon) 
Birds are pretty much the same, lizards are pretty much the same (except the cameleon). Sorry,  smacks way to much of intelligent design. 
With the evolutionist usual "incompleteness of the geological record" excuse, you'd think they'd luck into finding a good missing link sooner or later.
And trying to say we came from apes..... they are off by 30,000,000 chromosomes groups,, not just chromosomes. A little child was born in India with 8 limbs recently, I believe 6 legs and 2 arms and she only had a few chromosomegroups messed up,, not 30 million.  So If you want to believe you came from apes, that's up to you.

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Evolution never said we came from apes. It states apes and humans evolved from early primates, so differences between apes and us are going to be great. That's why they are considered a different species and this girl (I saw about her-didn't they think she was one of their gods) is merely considered a handicapped human. 
Of course animals seem boring to you!!! You have grown up and learnt about them and grown accustomed to them! If the entire earth documented elephants as having no trunk, if you saw one with a trunk today you would be amazed! 
Diversity in the animal kingdom is amazing, but there will always BE similarities because they all evolve to suit their surroundings. Many animals at the poles will be white because over the years other colours have been more likely to be prayed on.

I'm sure there were many fantastic creatures around (dinosaurs etc) but as habitats change only those that are suited to it survive. Of course there are animals that have the same bone structure, because for this earth, the bone structure works!! And if all started in a "bunch of goo" it follows that there will be similarities. Animals that developed sight have a higher chance of avoiding predators, as do those that can fly, those that can swim etc.

Sorry i'm trying to conclude it here,
basic worms don't have wings because they don't need them, all carnivores have sharp teeth or claws because they help, fish all have fins because they are best at propelling them. We are all moulded by our environment and our habitats are diverse...but they are all earth.   So life is diverse, but essentially very similar.

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A frog with a wolf's leg wouldn't make sense. A lion with wings and a beak to eat with would make ecological sense (gryphin) but no we don't have ANY unusual creatures like this, every single mammal is basically the same structure, different teeth depending on what they eat.
I see by your last statement, your getting the idea. But the picking up of chrosomes couldn't have stopped in the microscopic stage, because for a fish to grow legs muscle structures different than a fish to become a lizard, they had to pick up chrosomes somewhere. For that lizard to become a bird, they had to pick up more chrosomes womewhere....to become a warm blooded mammal.....wow there's a massave change for ya.
We as humans have chrosomes that have never been turned on......we have no idea what those chrosomes are for......Why don't they accidently get turned on....did the body KNOW it would need these in the future??  What's going to determine when they will be turned on?

P.S.  Jim, the scientist already did some gene splicing and created a sheep that could make web,, like a spider....look it up.

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I just can't believe it

Lawyer

18 Aug 2008 06:51

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Evolution comes from looking at the facts and theorizing as to what they suggest. Creationism comes from trying to force the facts to fit an existing structure. They are in no way two equally valid theories trying to explain the same thing. In fact Creationism only exists as a politically generated religious controversy trying to discredit real science and work a certain segment of the voting population into a frenzy of fearful denial so that they will cast their vote and spend their campaign contributions in a predictable fashion.

finsch

08 Jul 2008 21:14

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Anytime I hear the word "Creationism" I think of that Gary Larson cartoon in which god is rolling a snake out of clay and thinking to himself, "Well, shoot! This is easy!"

For the sake of this argument, I shall pretend that creationism is NOT a ludicrous idea that should be ignored.

This whole argument is based on a fallacy: That the world, and by the extension the cosmos, must have a purpose. It's the watchmaker argument in new clothing. But the fact remains that the world is not a watch. The fact remains that the Earth, and the creatures and plants upon it, are constantly changing. The theropods and diatrymas and trichordates are all gone. (Trichordates were marvelous creatures which existed long before the dinosaurs. They had a central brain stem with multiple nervous systems emanating from it; it was as if you had a spinal cord for each limb.)

So if Creationism is true, it includes creatures who were not well-enough designed to survive. Doesn't sound like intelligent design to me!

Then we have the problem of the fossil record. The fossils don't show a neat climb towards "irreducible complexity". Nor do they show species magically appearing. They show a slow steady climb from primitive to complex life, with many false starts and dead-ends.

That sounds less like design and more like a system for trying different things.

(And of course, the question the creationists never seem to hear: Who created god? But I think we know the answer to that one.)

Then you have the weirdnesses: Whale nostrils migrating to the backs of their heads; parrots who eat poisonous plants and then neutralize the poisons by chewing on alkali rocks (lorikeets); flightless birds with wings; a creature who lays eggs but gives milk (the platypus).

Now, do these sound like things that were created and placed here? Or do they sound like things that just had to make do?

OzzieMan

02 Jun 2008 03:09

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In that Far SIde strip God said "Wow! These things are a cinch!"

Mark

16 Jun 2008 17:29

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I really on the fence on this issue who knows did God create evolution?

waleo

24 May 2008 05:48

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If you are religious, then you should know we were created in his image (Physical). How could that be true if we kept evolving?

XieXie

26 May 2008 22:24

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It is definetly wrong! There is so much evidence on evolution it isn't even funny to suggest that there was "creation"

lavatis

06 May 2008 21:00

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What evidence?

XieXie

26 May 2008 22:23

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Creationism is literally wrong. This is why it, along with intelligent design, has been labelled a pseudoscience by the mainstream scientific community. This means that it is a body of knowledge that claims to be scientific, but does not adhere to the scientific method. It is wrong that we should encourage such irrational and illogical ideas, as they degrade the value of science, and disregard the theory of evolution and the big bang theory which is the most plausible explanation for the current state of the universe.

ibanex_87

04 May 2008 12:55

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Well, this is always going to be a matter of opinion, but I must say, evolution and natural selection are far more likely than one omnipotent being creating the infinite universe in little more than 6 days. Creationists always baffle me with their complete lack of logic and unwavering faith in Genesis. I'm all for intelligent design, and can respect that theory, but being atheist, creationism seems way to innacurate. For example, if we are all made in the image of God, does that mean that this all powerful being has the potential for evil, as we do?

Jakers

28 Apr 2008 19:06

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you go jake, awesome argument xD

chaew

04 May 2008 12:36

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