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The only proof I have heard about in terms of creationism is religious text which in terms of
science isn't all that valid. We however have found dna evidence of evolution which proves to be
valid. Tell me if creationism was real why isn't the elephant a natural species in america? Why do
you NEVER find a tiger in the jungles of South America or the United states. How come your house cat
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Lol these lot are retarded >> |
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Creationism...people still actually think the Earth is 6000 years old? Because a book says so?
I'm sure all of you YEC's have heard all the arguments against creationism but y'know what they say,
you can't away someone's beliefs no matter what so I won't go into detail, but to think the Earth is
so young and was 'created' doesn't measure with fact. |
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There is no legitimate proof behind Creationism. And no, "faith in the Bible" is not legitimate
proof. If there is a controlled study done to prove that an intelligent being created the universe,
then perhaps it will change. Until then, the theory is incorrect. |
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I honestly think religion should no longer be followed on the wide scale it is now. I believe that
it is time to set aside these superstitions and stories and follow science, which will take us
farther than any religion possibly can. If only the religious would stop standing in the way of
progress. |
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I am 99.99% sure it is all a lie, 100% proof the world isn't 6000 years old is fossils for one and
also, some stars are so far away that the light took well over 6000 just to get to your eye when you
look up at night, which proofs that that statement that the earth was made on the 3rd day. Btw light
would take 120000 years to get from 1 side of our galaxy to the other, and the maybe over 500
billion galexies. |
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I think that the creationism is a fake. |
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Creationism as well as the existence of any god cannot be proven or demonstrated in any way and
should therefore be considered nothing more then myth. |
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These aren't debates, you're merely stating facts. |
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Creationism is not falsifiable, therefore it is not science. |
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Creationism is wrong. It's just something stupid americans came up with. The catholic church says
the evolution theory is right |
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Why do christians look for loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion
years), but they find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in
their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
The Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life
and then ascended into the sky, thats how it happened duh! |
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I wish there was a way to be for and against this topic because I take a different position all
together. I take the position that I don't care if the universe was create by a higher power (god)
or it happen some other way. I do agree however that creationism is indeed a flaw theory because it
lacks evidences to support it. But even so I myself ( I don't know if anyone else agrees) thinks its
pointless to pursue this notion of what created everything. I mean what does it matter by time
humans figure out what created the universe or whatever you want to call it I and everybody on this
site will be long gone. And also if we do figure out what created everything then what? |
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Its wrong because it is based on no concrete evidence. Its just a load of tosh! |
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All bible science is wrong. I see no use in trying to disprove idiotic theories like the earth not
moving and snakes talking. They'll beleive it no matter what. That's how faith works.
And it won't matter for long anyways. Atheism is the fastest growing group on earth. We'll have
majority in the UK within the decade. |
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The power of nature is the power refered to as god so as was stated earlier god did it !!! |
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Science, fact and reason say that creationism is wrong. Only faith and irrationality says that
creationism is right. Faith is belief without evidence or contrary to the evidence. There is no
signature of God on the cosmos... It just seemed that way to our ancestors who couldn't explain
things that today we take for granted. Yet some people still cling to bronze age scientific
beliefs. Hilarious really. Science is always changing because we don't know everything, and anytime
new evidence appears to contradict our theories, we change our theories to fit all the facts.
Religion and creationism never changes. If presented with evidence they reject it. Sad really, and
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Evolution happened.
God did it.
Everybody lives. |
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I respect a persons right to believe in creationism but the fact that they do believe it completely
baffles me. Creationist try to say that they have the answer, no arguments but the fact they say
that makes it even more unbelievable. Evolutionist say we probably know what happened without saying
that it is fact, the fact that we have an open mind makes it more appealing. I don't see what is so
hard to believe about organisms adapting and changing over a long period of time. Creationism seems
to me to be too flawed a theory to have anything credible about it. I'm not saying evolution is
perfect but at least there is evidence to back it up and defend. |
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I agree... |
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The concept of Creationism is based on Christian beliefs. The belief that there is only ONE god and
the He created everything. This concept is folly as is the concept of ONE god and the idea that
humans are based on HIS looks.
This is the MOST pompous concept on earth. The universe is VAST and we cannot even see to the edges
of it. We are but a tiny SPECK on the surface of the earth let alone the universe. We cannot
possibly comprehend the origins of life on this planet or the reason why. It's like a cell in my
liver understanding the concept of a skyscraper. Impossible.
This is a pompous and self-serving belief in order to preserve an already FLAWED faith. Those that
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Creationism is a shamelessly dishonest, anti-scientific campaign against knowledge and human
advancement. It should be laughed at, not debated. |
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I was reading some of the responses and comments on this idiotic topic. Ok...I'm laughing...it's
some of the stupidest stuff I've ever read.
I'll humor our intelligent friends and say that "creationism" in the sense of a political movement
is dumb. The reason it's dumb is because it is used in relation to the theory and FINDINGS of
evolution.
Creation and evolution are two different things. The theory of evolution would have to go all the
way back to the big bang and keep right on going where cosmology is headed to have anything to do
with creation.
Even the silly notion of the Biblical timeline used by "creationists" could still be true if Adam
and Eve were the first humans who were created in Gods image (no...not looking like Brad Pitt). In
other words they were the first to get a soul. Autonomous. Thus, the story of humans with souls
begins.
Anyway...all supression of thought is a bad thing. All thought should be taught. All possibilities.
But it can't be.
I say let the fight continue. I say both sides are ignorant so let them wallow in the mire. We all
know there are teachers who are going to push their "beliefs" or lack thereof onto children. The
comments will be there. Oh yeah...we all know the religious will do it. Those of you don't think the
non-believer will do it are idiots. Look at the posts on this site. You expect me to think that
clear thinking realists aren't the same as these religious "pushers"? Well, I'm NOT stupid. They are
humans. They are eager to push their views. If they don't like the belief in a God, you can bet
they'll work the clay just like the religious pusher.
Fight over it in the governments and the press. Hold both your movements back. Some of us don't need
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Of course it's wrong. Humans didn't spontaneously generate. But have any of you thought that maybe
evolution was God's doing? It's said that God made people and then he made Adam and Eve. Could
this point to evolution?... |
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Creationism is definitely flawed. |
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This does not need to be debated, Creationism is not a possible theory. |
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Sure it's wrong .. It's unprovable and yet !!
Afraid believers will say it's true since they believe it is the only thing they where tought
and that if they don't believe in the whole religion fairy tale, hell awaits them !!
So the moral is fear of death creates religion..
Yes yes FEAR of hell because they are told from a young age that hell is a bad place and it's scary
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Yesterdays religon, is todays mythology.
At one time the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Norsemen, Native Americans ect.. All had a faith system
that worshipped more than 1 diety.
Then there was a push to reject all beliefs but the belief of one god....
One god that societies hide behind in order to cram their traditions, morals and ethics down
everyones throats.
Religious beliefs have been one of the major causes of war.
Too many people have died for religion, and IF there was a creator, I don't see how it would be
content with how many of its creations have been destroyed in its name.
If in fact it is please, then it is an egotistical entity I want nothing to do with. |
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The two go side by side |
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Creationism is wrong, the big bang, and evolution explain existence far more reasonably than any
diety. Please-no watchmackers debate, the fact the earth is complex does NOT prove it was created. |
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I just can't believe it |
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Evolution comes from looking at the facts and theorizing as to what they suggest. Creationism comes
from trying to force the facts to fit an existing structure. They are in no way two equally valid
theories trying to explain the same thing. In fact Creationism only exists as a politically
generated religious controversy trying to discredit real science and work a certain segment of the
voting population into a frenzy of fearful denial so that they will cast their vote and spend their
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Anytime I hear the word "Creationism" I think of that Gary Larson cartoon in which god is rolling a
snake out of clay and thinking to himself, "Well, shoot! This is easy!"
For the sake of this argument, I shall pretend that creationism is NOT a ludicrous idea that should
be ignored.
This whole argument is based on a fallacy: That the world, and by the extension the cosmos, must
have a purpose. It's the watchmaker argument in new clothing. But the fact remains that the world is
not a watch. The fact remains that the Earth, and the creatures and plants upon it, are constantly
changing. The theropods and diatrymas and trichordates are all gone. (Trichordates were marvelous
creatures which existed long before the dinosaurs. They had a central brain stem with multiple
nervous systems emanating from it; it was as if you had a spinal cord for each limb.)
So if Creationism is true, it includes creatures who were not well-enough designed to survive.
Doesn't sound like intelligent design to me!
Then we have the problem of the fossil record. The fossils don't show a neat climb towards
"irreducible complexity". Nor do they show species magically appearing. They show a slow steady
climb from primitive to complex life, with many false starts and dead-ends.
That sounds less like design and more like a system for trying different things.
(And of course, the question the creationists never seem to hear: Who created god? But I think we
know the answer to that one.)
Then you have the weirdnesses: Whale nostrils migrating to the backs of their heads; parrots who eat
poisonous plants and then neutralize the poisons by chewing on alkali rocks (lorikeets); flightless
birds with wings; a creature who lays eggs but gives milk (the platypus).
Now, do these sound like things that were created and placed here? Or do they sound like things that
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God created everything |
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Okay so its ABSURD to think that there is a higher being that created this world?? Have you seen how
inticate and intellectually the human brain is? But we just are some worth nothing peice of meat
that at one time was a m onkey right??? And the universe.. The aminals.. Our placement not too far
or close to the sun.. Thats just by chance. We were just LUCKY?? So then if that is true then why
are we here?? I mean that means we can do whatever we want without any major consiquences right??
No. We wear CREATED with a purpose. Were not just another ANIMAL in the world. |
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It depends on what your definition of "Creationism" means.
I simply believe that a Higher Being started the process that led to the creation of the Earth and
the creatures that inhabit it, as in creating the proteins and cells that started creation.
I do NOT believe in the Biblical account of Creation, also known as modern day Creationism. I fully
support in and believe in Evolution, and it should be taught in schools as FACT, not a theory.
Basically, Biblical Creationism is wrong, the Deistic type of Creationism isn't. |
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God Almighty created EVERYTHING ! |
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Adaption is like a rubber band- it CAN'T continue forever
Therefore evolution is tossed out like the garbage that it is.
Also history taught us that when the Bible and science were at odds, the Bible resulted victorious.
Ex. Earth shape, ancient civilizations
Science is beneficial and even more harmful
in the hands of a demoralized nation.
Religion may have excluded some universe secrets-
But the best justification is that of our ancestor Eve, who was clearly informed of a powerful tree
and right away allowed her desire for independence to take control.
The example would be reenacted if Obama was gifted with the ability to move black holes.
Religion is not a TREND
It is an eternal part of life for the meek who seek approval and not damnation. |
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If you think only creationism is based on faith, look at evolution. Evolution is totally
faith-based--faith in something unreal. There is no proof of evolution. Why do you think there are
no fossils of the "Missing Link" being found? Because there are none. If the earth really was 4.5
billion years old, it would have already been gone, because the earth can only get weaker, not
stronger. Same goes for animals; it is impossible for genetic codes to get more complex--therefore,
species cannot become more intelligent or complicated.
If evolution were true, then how come bacteria isn't changing into fish? How come fish aren't
turning into frogs? How come frogs aren't turning into monkeys? How come monkeys aren't turning
into humans? How come humans aren't turning into higher forms? Because evolution is impossible; as
earlier stated, genetic codes are not ever going to become more complex. Life cannot come from
non-life; the only place that is possible is Transformers (oops sorry for being facetious).
We also cannot have one common ancestor. If so, then all of our DNA would be linked in some way.
However, we aren't all linked together through DNA. Every living creature has common DNA with its
kind and none other. If we all had a common ancestor, how come we all have different ways of
language and communication?
Get in your hand a can of soda for me. Now what if I told you that billions of years ago, two
pieces of metal came together and collided to form an aluminum can? Then a million years later,
some paint splashed onto it from a nearby explosion. Then a few hundred million years ago, finally
some sweet-tasting liquid flowed into it and the pressure from the air closed it shut. Wouldn't
that sound ridiculous if I told you that was exactly what happened--it came from nothing--and that
there was no creator? You see, for every thing you see, there has to be a creator. If you asked me
where I got my computer from, and I answered, "It just appeared out of thin air," that would be
illogical. Therefore, you cannot have this world without a Creator. Our universe is far too
complex to just have poofed from thin air. There has to be a divine Being, a supernatural one, to
have created the earth. That is God. Now before you go and attack me saying there's no "God,"
think of what you have faith in--evolution. You think there's no proof for God, but is there for
evolution? There is proof of God--all you need is eyes to see and a brain that works. The proof is
what you're living on... Planet Earth. Everything that is in the Bible has come true and the things
to come eventually will come true.
And that's all I really have to say in support of creationism. |
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I don't see why Creationism isn't real because everything about evolution and all that hubbub are
all theories that are still theories after thousands of years. |
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We are only humans and we can only know what is availabe to us. We won't know if creationism is
wrong or not until we die. If we die and we no longer exist than atheists are right, but if we die
and there is a God or many gods that will judge us and send us to heaven or hell than theists are
right, however since the dead can't come back from being dead and tell us if there is a creator or
not, we the living will never know. I am a theist of no particular religion and i beleive we were
created, but I don't know for sure and I won't know until I die, and until then we can only make
assumptions based on what we believe in. This question can't solved because we are still alive in a
world where science is the only logical explanation for everything...exept the unknown. |
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I think that is totally untrue. Religion can promote a lot of good things, and besides, if
Christians are wrong, and if there is not a God, Christians lose nothing after they die. If Atheists
are wrong and there is a God, they have eternity to lose while they burn forever. :) |
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Look at the woodpecker. It is optimized for the repeated impact against trees, from its beak to its
head to its tail feathers.
These features, according to evolutionary theory, would have had to develop in stages over a long
period. Obviously, this could not have occurred. The first stages of this development would have
been superfluous beginnings of anatomical changes. Those would have been bred out in offspring. In
addition, a bird without these developments would not be able to drill into trees in the manner that
a woodpecker does. |
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I do not agree. |
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God did create everything! I am not saying that Evolution does not exist, it does(but only when God
allows it), but the part about man evolving from monkeys, God made us both TOTALLY different! |
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Unless I miss the point by a mile, it's all based on individual belief systems. If belief require
more credible teachings, that would kind of defeat the purpose of having a belief. I thought it was
based more on faith rather than reasonable logic. |
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There is only one GOD and evolution is only GOD improving on it's creations. |
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Faith is never wrong. God is never wrong. Therefore, this whole argument against God is wrong. |
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Who are you to say that a whole beleif is wrong? I know you are entitled to your opinion but dont
call it asurd |
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I'm on the fence here, because I believe in a creationism hybrid: God made the apes, then they
evolved, the first ones were Adam and Eve. |
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There are no facts in evolution, we don't know what Gods definition is for what all these
scientists are wanting to claim is fact.
What is fact is Christians are persecuted almost everywhere, what is fact is they can not stand up
in class and say hallelujah without the teacher telling them they are offending people.
People can argue God their whole life, and they will, its says they will in the Bible.
Furthermore all you people can believe the intelligence of other people and say "These scientists
are so much more smarter than you are, its great the things they have created cures etc, but that's
just it. THEY created it, and God gave them the intelligence or ability to.
God gave us all the ability to believe and choose what we want, and while you want to believe in a
History or Science Book that's fine but they always change, simply because Scientists can not stick
to one theory, their theories are ever changing, the constitution is ever changing, and for the
people that believe what all these scientists say, maybe you are just little lab rats they are
testing their theories on.
I don't need religion to believe in God and I don't need theology or words to prove his exists.
Yet all you evolution buffs need facts to prove you came from a monkey, I laugh when I think about
how much Darwin is laughing at all the people who believed in and follows his simple means of
gaining a pay check.
We believe the Government is deceitful, corrupt, manipulative, they have their own agenda.
My question are who funds all these scientific researches and furthermore when the Antichrist if
there is one appears, what facts will he give to why thousands of people disappear into thin air
let me guess, Maybe Aliens, or a new way of evolving coming into play. Its okay people "God
didn't return, we just lost all the children because their little bodies could not hold up to the
new found pressure in our atmosphere right. |
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If you would like to believe in evolution that is fine. But I have serious doubts. If we originally
came from monkeys then why are there still monkeys? Why did they not evolve too? To me this just
doesn't make much sense to me. Sorry. |
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Evolution is pseudoscience. There is no objective proof for it. It is just a theory that scientists
have become so enamored by that they take it as fact. I am not a "Young Earth" creationist, I am an
"Intelligent Design" creationist.. Evolutionists like to put all creationists in the same category,
but there's a big difference between Young Earth and ID creationism even though we both reject
Evolution. |
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It states quite clearly that God made the earth in 6 days and on the 7th day he rested. Anyone who
tells you otherwise is HELL BOUND and have no respect for our creator. Of course creationism is
correct. |
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God made all things. He is your Creator. |
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Yes, It is absurd to affirm only one "God". There are many religions in this world, each with their
own god(s). Also, to deny the evolution (another belief system) would be absurd.
And I'm just curious as to the "more credible way"?!? Each person's opinions are different.
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Snore...snore...if you cant be a little bit more ignorant, go cut yourself. |
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No, i disagree. There is plenty of information in our scientific knowledge base that points toward
a creator. Check out lee strobels "the case for a creator' |
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First of all, what are we debating here, Creationism, or the teaching of world religions?
Secondly, there has recently been a resurgence of militant atheistically writing, however, these
works, do not go very far to prove atheism, or evolution. Looking from the outside, it's interesting
to note that recently there has also been numerous books written by influential scientists, not
necessarily religions people, who have been asking if it is possible that there is a creator or
designer. These questions come from their research. Some examples are Michael Behe, "Darwin's Black
Box", and Francis Collins book on DNA. Presently, the arguments are coming from both sides rather
rapidly, and honestly, it would appear that those from the atheistic side are focusing on
discrediting religion, while those from the theistic/deistic/agnostic side, are simply pointing out
that scientific research seems to point in a different direction than the popular atheistic
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I'm against the idea that God created everything from dust but i believe that God or whatever did
create the Big Bang, evolution and so on. I just find it to hard to believe, personally, that so
many coincidences could cause such a perfect world(correct distance from the sun, not to do with
human problems), with the exact distance needed for life to exist. That's just my view though. Is
that sought of sitting on the fence?
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OK guys... Lets get some stuff straight. The first rule in Science is that matter and energy cannot
be created or destroyed only transformed from one kind into another... So tell me if it was not
created then there was no creator. Fair enough. BUT, if it was not created how did we come to be
from a cosmic burp about 4.6 billion years ago, a little bit of slime which just became more and
more - that's creating all over again. So both scenes involve creationism, but the thing it boils
down to is faith. Hebrews 11:6 "Without faith, It is IMPOSSIBLE, to please God, those that come to
him must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of those that diligently seek him!" |
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Evolution somehow implies that one species becomes another. In other words apes became humans. But
we still have apes. As far as the mutations which occur today-Considered the concept that we
probably made them possible. Who knows what we've created with all of the chemical we need to
provide us with the "material things" we think we need. What other books do you know that inspire
such emotions in one direction or another other than the bible. That in itself should tell you
something. See, you may not listen but you know God is there becasue I don't care how mad you
are-when you are about to make a bad decision you hear him telling you it's wrong. He's always
there. If the voice in your head was "your" conscious, you'd have some control over it. You could
make it think like you think, but that doesn't happen. That voice is from outside of you, from
somewhere else. That voice always pushes for what is right and unless you just completely block it
out, it's always there even though we don't listen. He won't leave us. Baby, He's real. |
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First of all, who says that because there is a Creator there can't be evolution to an extent. When
you go blind most people find their other senses are intensified. Isn't this a type of evolution?
I don't believe in evolution as in a drastic change from a fish to a monkey and then to a human (if
NASA and the top scientists wanted to prove this they could put bacteria on Mars and see if humans
develop from it. The conditions there are better than the Earth was supposed to be like in it's
earlier years.) I think that evolution can occur in minor stages like a species adapting to a new
circumstance.
Second, how do you explain that a bunch of matter spread out gradually formed into a whole
universe without some higher intelligence? If you can explain that to me and how by some miracle
one planet got all the necessities for life while every other planet only got pieces of it then your
theory might hold some water.
If you honestly believe that a universe can be created randomly without any explanation than
why can't humans with all our intelligence make anything that lasts half as long.
Who said that just because God created the world doesn't mean he didn't use science. Science
isn't something that is used for denying a higher power, it helps enforce it. Take the carbon
dating that is used to prove the earth is billions of years old for example. In the Bible it talks
about how the earth was created in seven days, who says that those days are the same length of our
days? The truth of the matter is that how old the earth has no bearing on creationism.
You people say that creationism is "illogical" and flawed, but maybe you should look at your
own theories. You have no proof. You say it's illogical, how is the Big Bang any more logical? A
ton of matter randomly forming into planets. Think about it long and hard before you reply. |
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Creationism is most certainly not wrong.
This debate totally refers to your theological affiliation, I suppose, but here goes.
I will using one of my very awesome analogies for this.
If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
I say the universe must have a cause.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Therefore, God exists.
This may sound a little closed minded... But think about it for a minute.
(www.allaboutphilosophy.org) |
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I don't understand why? |
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I believe that creationism is correct. I realize it is a theory, but so is evolution. There is no
proof that evolution is fact, yet it is taught in schools. Creationism should be given the same
opportunity and people should be given the right to choose for themselves. |
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It's not completely accurate either way. Creationism can make sense if you stop thinking that
everything that was translated from God to human ears wasn't perfectly written in the Bible. The
main arguments that I have are the facts that God is infinite, so one day for us could be one
thousand years for him/her. Maybe the evolution of homo sapiens was done by God, but just taken out
of context by the very humans that heard it first. Seven days for the creation of the Earth is
absurd, but how can you prove that God actually said seven days? Maybe Adam and Eve were the point
of evolution where we discovered our consciousness? To argue that God doesn't exist because it's
not logical is slightly childish, simply because all other "answers" aren't even finished ones. No
one has still found a plausible solution to the big bang theory, and besides the creation of
everything by a higher power, that theory is the only strong argument that nonbelievers have. I am
not for or against this topic, but it just seems that my side of the argument fits better into the
"against" category. Atheists don't have any more answers to the creation of the universe than
Christians do. The only reason why atheists make sense is because their side of the argument always
uses logic, and in this day and age, logic is the one and only true. |
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04 Dec 2007 14:47
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