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Congregating On "the Day Of The SUN" And Not On The Original Shabbat, The Day "God" Set Apart From The Others, Shows The Pagan Influences On Mainstream Christianity.
Since when did the day of congregating change to the first day of the week from the last? And who has the right?
 Stranger  01 Oct 2008 15:21
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No human organization exists I a vacuum. Obviously the christen mythology has roots in other mythologies and will continue to be affected by outside sources. However history shows that any organization, religious, political, or cultural that is unable to change with time will stagnate and disappear.
As for who has the right it is my belief that every human being as the right and the obligation to examine information given to them on the nature of ethical conduct with a critical and discerning eye. To not do so is to surrender what fundamentally makes us human.
 
 finsch  03 Oct 2008 17:42
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I'll confirm right now I don't have the depth of knowledge on this subject which I'm seeing layed out in the Against column. However, I do genuinely believe many dates, ceremonies, and practices common in modern Christianity had ancient origins predating the Christians. So the claim the day of rest was chosen for some ancient reason other than Christianity does not seem far fetched at all to me. Likewise, though, I don't think its origin really matters anyway. The present purpose and meaning is all that really matters.
 
 Grenache  03 Oct 2008 15:44
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 Intentions aren't good enough in certain things.
I can intend good by worshipping God like pagans, babbling on and on about Mary, the mother of God, who is blessed among women (for example), but the Bible says not to worship Elohim like the pagans. There is still freedom of worship: there are many ways to do so.
by  Stranger
 03 Oct 2008 15:55
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There are pagan influences on the modern church but this one does not apply in my opinion.

During the time of Mosaic and Levitical law (the 10 commandents, etc...) the nation of Israel was to honor the Sabbath (friday sunset thru Sat. Sunset). This represented rest. Not just rest from labor, but a symbolic rest from sin and rest in the Lord their God. When Jesus Christ came and lived a sinless life, sacrificed himself for our sins, and paid our debts to God the Father for us, Jesus conquered the law for anyone who trusts in him to be their savior.
Now, through Christ, we are free to worship God everyday, as we should do. Born-again believers in Christ are not bound by the Sabbath (Mark 2:27; Romans 14:5-6) any longer because we find our rest in the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Early Jewish converts to Christianity wanted to show this change from being "saved by keeping the law" to "saved by grace" so they started meeting on the first day of the week which is Sunday (Acts 20:7; 1 Colossians 16:1-2).

The interesting part here is that those that do not accept Jesus' authority and grace are still bound by the law and are required to worship and rest on Saturday, the sabbath. So, their is actually more freedom in being a follower of Christ than there is in not following Christ. This is interesting because most non-Christians think it is just the opposite.
 
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 Acts 20:7 (NIV) says: "On the first day of the week we came together to break bread."
That's just saying they came together to break bread (probably symbollically of Yahshua's body- to commemorate the Lord's Supper), not that the first day of the week is to be the main day of congregating. It is a record of an instance in Paul's journey, not a verse that says we are supposed to congregate on the first day. Something like that would be clear, don't you think? A far-fetched assumption would be that this verse tells us to do exactly like it.

1 Corinthians 16, with more relevant context says: "Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. If it seems advisable for me to go also, they will accompany me."
This congregating was just on a chosen day for collecting money to send to Jerusalem. That doesn't prove that Sunday is supposed to be the main day of congregating for all Christians.

I don't have to avoid working on the Shabbat as you may think I think, because Yahshua is the Lord of the Shabbat. By believing in him, his completion of every requirement in the Torah applies to me. Yes, it is grace. I do not live apart from grace.

What pagan influences are there to you?
by  Stranger
 01 Oct 2008 17:09
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