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Yes I celebrate Yuletide myself. The wise man who was tending his flock couldn't have done it in
December. I think It's more towards march/April according to scholars. I like the idea of gift
giving and good cheer. I like decorating and watching Christmas specials. I dismiss all that
christian mumbo jumbo. It is a well written(at times) book of morals and tall tales from beyond
meant to keep anarchy at bay. The authors of the bible wrote it because they knew they needed to put
the fear of something into people because without fear they couldn't control you. Rome declared
christmas the same time as yule(dec 21st) thinking they could faze Yule out, but it didn't work..
You can't kill an idea only ideals. |
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Christmas is a tie of pagen and christian celebrations. The Christmas tree is pagen and the angel on
the tree is christian. |
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Well those below covered things fairly well. I would just like to add that I will not be celebrating
the birth of Jesus but I will be perverting the spirit of Christmas with gift giving, drinking, and
general jolly-ness.
I wonder though do you think if there were a Jesus he would he be upset by the one day a year we are
nice to each other or maybe the rest of the days a year when we aren't? |
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You are so right dear!! I shall therefore not get you a xmas gift nor shall i wish to receive
one!!xx =D |
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It's no coincidence at all, Quincel, the church specifically chose December 25 in order to make it
easier to convince pagans to adopt Christian traditions. According to the Bible, it's most likely
that the mythical Jesus in the story was born sometime in late April or May. |
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Evidence from the Bible (such as descriptions of nature at the time) suggest that Jesus was born
some time in Spring. Christmas being the 25th December, the exact date of a major pagan festival is
no coincidence. |
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Christmas as Christ Mass is a christian celebration, however there have always been celebrations in
winter to cheer everone up about the bad weather and cold, longer nights. |
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There is no proof of when Jesus was born; we just happen to celebrate it on December 25. And who
the heck told you it was a pagan celebration? It was actually made to OPPOSE the pagans;
Constantine wanted a celebration to praise Jesus' birth and had it near another pagan celebration to
counter their winter solstice festival.
However, Christmas has been opened up to other people of other beliefs. My atheist friend
celebrates Christmas, and I'm not offended because I think it still gives a good message of giving
and family along with Jesus' birth. Christmas started out as a Christian holiday, but now has
widened out. |
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Since Catholics are also called, "Christian".....well then.....
Catholics mix with half-Pagan holy-days (holidays), so......
It would then depend upon what you refer to as "Christian" : There is perhaps more than one variety
of what we have come to call, "Christian", if you know what I mean.....
Christmas has come to have a meaning entirely independent of almost religious reference nowadays:
It's meaning is found within the Individual's self : Feeling for the representation thereof.
Family, hearth, and home.
Warmth, love, and joy.
And most importantly, showing kindness and understanding to others, one might not usually do so
with. Phileo-Love. |
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I agree with you, when you say that Jesus was born in the spring, in fact I will say that one piece
of evidence that shows this is the shepherds, if it was the dead of winter, they would be out in the
fields. Jesus was no doubt born in the spring or early summer. However, Christmas is still a
christian holiday. What you are unaware of is the fact that, when Christmas was first being
celebrated and the apostles were spreading the word of God, they were dealing with Romans who
believed in pagan gods. And December 25th was the celebration of the Roman sun god. When Constantin
made Christianity legal the apostles made the day to celebrate the birth of Christ on the 25th, so
the Romans would feel more welcome to Christianity. |
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Well, it is isn't it, amongst other things. In the UK, I suspect most people see it as a traditional
holiday for seeing family and a brilliant time for children as well as a welcome break from work. I
don't think the majority take much notice of the religious aspect anymore. |
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I agree that many people do not celebrate the way it should be celebrated. I agree that Jesus was
not born on Christmas day as people claim. I agree that it corresponds with a Pagan celebration of
the ancient world. I agree that it is perverted with present giving and drinking.
However, Christmas is a Christian celebration. To say it is not would be like saying the Fourth of
July is all about grilling burgers, or New Years is all about getting drunk. While other people may
celebrate in ways that were not originally intended...the ACTUAL reason for the holiday is the
celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.
If I decided to celebrate Chanukah, and did most of the rituals correctly, like the 8 days of
presents, but I did not celebrate it as the Jewish holiday it is then I am not celebrating Chanukah,
I am celebrating something else that has the same calendar date. |
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