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'Choice', 'A Woman's Right'- No Matter How You Word It, It Is Still A Mother Killing Her Own Child.
How about looking at it this way? Just adding fuel to the fire JSG.
 Bugman  17 Aug 2009 20:19
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My question would be, why is there a need for abortion with all the birth control that is available? Please don't tell me birth control doesn't always work. There is a very small percentage of time that it does not work. That being said, I have heard so many women say "I got pregnant on the pill." All I can say is Bull. If that many people used the pill and still got pregnant then they would have taken it off the market years ago. It's a simple matter of irresponsibility. If people would be responsible (men and women) there would be very little need for abortion. By the way, I too believe it is murder.
 
 artemis  18 Aug 2009 13:24
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 You seem a little confused about how birth control works. When you are pregnant birth control doesn’t really help very much.
by  finsch
 18 Aug 2009 13:30
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Correct, it is also why it is the dilema for the mother and will ultimately be her conscious choice and decision.
 
 keepmindok  18 Aug 2009 13:04
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The depressing part of the entire abortion issue is that, the pro choice people will support the killing of any person that is deemed unwanted by a law, regardless of age. History is a great teacher, a teacher that most pay no attention to.
 
 v00v  18 Aug 2009 02:06
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 “the pro choice people will support the killing of any person that is deemed unwanted by a law”

That was a disgusting lie. You should be ashamed of yourself. Have you no respect, honor, or integrity? You should grow up. If we have to make such extensive lies, we should not be here debating. Lies are really the root of malevolence. History is a great teacher. Use it to learn how people, who have terrible atrocious beliefs like yourself, consequently lead to the senseless destruction of human life.
by  verum
 18 Aug 2009 02:14
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Hey, I have a question everyone...

Are eggs in chickens like abortion. Eggs that don't hatch and are commercialized for man to eat, or is that too early since the fetus hasn't developed in the egg yet?
So baby fetus in a woman is a matter of time.
There are two ways to argue the fetus thing.
Time is consequential on this being evil or not. Or It is right 100% of the time or wrong 100% of the time like a black or white issue.

Which is it?
 
 respire  17 Aug 2009 21:36
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 Actually, chickens lay eggs regardless of whether there is a rooster to fertilize the eggs. The eggs you buy at the market are not fertilized, so you are not eating a potential chicken. A chick can't develop in an unfertilized egg. Now, if you buy farm fresh eggs, that is a different story and you can tell as soon as you crack the egg. Actually, I think you can candle it, but I wouldn't go to that much trouble. Happy eating.
by  my2cents2u
 17 Aug 2009 21:56
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Even though I'm Pro-Choice I do indeed agree it comes down to a woman choosing to kill the fetus inside her.
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I just want to add something I've stated in these debates in the past which is even if we concede the argument that abortion is killing a fetus that does NOT in itself prove abortion wrong. There are plenty of scenarios where society judges killing to be justifiable given a certain set of circumstances. To me a woman's right to choose what to do with her body up until the fetus is born as a baby is one of those justifiable times.
 
 Grenache  17 Aug 2009 20:59
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 The point is that there are so many potential factors to be weighed that it can only be done by the person most directly affected by the decision who is in a position to make that decision no matter what the legal system might say about it.
I.e. Her rights are established and she can make her wishes known, the fetus’s rights are not and cannot be established and it can’t make its wishes known (if it has any) and you can’t stop her anyway short of keeping her strapped to a bed for 9 months so might as well avoid her having it done by some witchdoctor with a coat hanger in a back alley somewhere.
This is the basis for the Supreme Court’s decision and it makes good sense to me. It is the only logical application of jurisprudence in a tricky and unhappy situation.
by  finsch
 17 Aug 2009 21:34
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Unless you're not retarded.

A woman's choice to abort a fetus is the choice to abort a fetus. Now if I was to say a woman's choice to abort a fetus is the choice to abort a landing on an aircraft carrier...I would be retarded.

Bring it on rookie.

I might as well just start posting on this side. I'll be enjoying myself on this side for quite awhile.
 
 justsumguy  17 Aug 2009 20:24
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 Wait...why are you on this side? You have me all confused.
by  my2cents2u
 17 Aug 2009 20:59
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I presume you are talking about abortion. If so then I am afraid how you word it is key. It is not a child it is a fetus. I know you use the word child for effect but there is a massive difference hence abortion being legal and child killing being a henious crime. I know you know the difference so please use the correct term and argue your point from there instead of trying to put a spin on it, that only makes it sound as if you have no point and are desperately trying to make it sound more horrific.
 
   19 Aug 2009 15:55
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No matter how you word the viewpoint of this debate, it still won’t make sense. The fact of the matter is, according to the law, a fetus is not considered to be a “human being”, “child”, “baby”, or any other synonym of the sort. So, technically speaking, abortion is not any form of illegal act at all, especially not murder. To say otherwise is to create a very illogical and unreasonable definition of “murder”. Not to mention you're completely misrepresenting the law when you claim abortion to be murder.
 
 Hizashi  19 Aug 2009 04:29
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 This is an account from Brenda Shafer, a registered nurse with thirteen years of experience. She was passionately pro-choice, was assigned a position in an abortion clinic, and didn’t see any problem with it. But she was wrong.

Here are her own words upon witnessing a partial-birth abortion:

“I stood at the doctor’s side and watched him perform a partial-birth abortion on a woman who was six months pregnant. The baby’s heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen. The doctor delivered the baby’s body and arms - everything but his little head. The baby’s body was moving. His little fingers were clasping together. He was kicking his feet. Then the doctor took a pair of scissors and inserted them into the back of the baby’s head. The baby’s arms jerked out in a flinch - a startled reaction - like a baby does when he thinks he might fall. Then the doctor slowly opened the scissors up. Then he stuck a high-powered suction tube into the hole and sucked the baby’s brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I never went back to the clinic. But I am still haunted by the face of that little boy. It was the most perfect, angelic face I have ever seen.”
by  v00v
 20 Aug 2009 03:46
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Once again I say that you cannot define abortion as murder. At the time of abortion all it is, is a termination of a group of cells, parasitic cells at that. They aren't human, living yes but not human. If you are against these sort of cells being destroyed why aren't you against cancer cells or dangerous bacteria being destroyed? By your logic it is a living thing and therefore has a right to life. Destroying cancer cells is killing as well isn't it. Am I wrong?
 
 kddan  18 Aug 2009 12:29
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The status of a fetus has become a controversial issue. The subjectivity involved in such a declaration is significantly lesser than of what we can possibly conceive as objective facts. Humans are separate individuals by definition. The fact that fetuses reside in one’s body eliminates any possibility which could deem them as human beings. Their emotionless characteristics, absents of social identity, inability to be aware of their existence, lacking physical properties, and their total dependency on a woman's body creates the consideration of them being human beings innately ridicules. So we know that a fetus resides within a woman. We know that it has a complete absents of social individualism; this is not debatable, the ability to have any sensation of emotion indisputably is acquired beyond the moments of birth. A fetus is totally dependent on the body of another, although we certainly can classify it as an entity of life, we must not forget what constitutes a living organism. An earth worm is alive. Now let’s hypothetically give fetuses a right to life. This right would include the use of another person’s body. How could this right automatically claim superiority over a woman’s right to choose? If a fetus has a right to choose their right for death should inherently be similar in significance. A child who is brought into a world where affection and sustainability are unattainable would likely willingly cease their existence. One with a capability of independent existence could accede to have a right to life, but this is not the situation for a fetus. A fetuses’ continuation requires the sanction of an individual, there blatant independency infringes on the rights of others to persist; it seems like a parasitic circumstance. Remember equality is given at birth.
 
 verum  18 Aug 2009 00:00
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 I pulled this from a previous debate. I didn't feel like retyping the same thing in different words.

EDIT: This is still what I previously wrote. I did not copy and paste this from another person.
by  verum
 18 Aug 2009 00:01
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I have two children and I would never harm a hair on thier precious heads, but if I think about a woman aborting a fetus, it just does not seem the same to me. A fetus is not a child. It is a fetus. It doesn't matter what my personal beliefs are or whether or not I personally would abort a pregnancy. There are children who are born and who are murdered by thier parents. Look at that poor little Anthony child. Would it not have been better for her to have been aborted than to have her own mother kill her in cold blood? How horrific would it be to have the person you trust most in the world attack you and kill you? The fear and hurt must be worse than dying for those children born to parents who hurt and/or kill them. No child should be an unwanted "thing" that stands in the way of their parents' good times. Children should be a joy. A fetus is a fetus. I'm not cold or mercinary. I love kids. I just see the potential for more back alley abortions that go on with no regulations contributing to a rise in late term abortions.
 
 my2cents2u  17 Aug 2009 21:07
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 That was compassionate and sincere and though I voted on the other side I do see your point. You're right that for many women aborting a fetus is not the same as killing a child.
by  Grenache
 17 Aug 2009 21:14
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You have to define "living" before you can define "killing".
 
 moreno  17 Aug 2009 21:00
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 A prime example of philosophical psycho-babble.
by  Bugman
 17 Aug 2009 21:38
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Admit it you just hate the idea of a woman getting laid and not having to suffer some dire consequence.
 
 finsch  17 Aug 2009 20:41
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 How shameful! : )
by  my2cents2u
 17 Aug 2009 21:00
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