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I am very much intrigued with this debate topic.
Very nice job of it, by the way.
So, here's the deal:
There are some thefts that cannot be rectified; all one can do is better in the future - as in - not
do it again.
Example:
The Native American Indians vs. The United States Government.
Manifest Destiny....was at fault, and contributed to the delinquency of The United States
Government's "Sin" of "Theft" : The land of the free and home of the brave.
To act out the Restitution of this theft by the Government?
The USA Government would have to move all Americans not having ANY Native American Indian blood off
the land = ship us out of this country wholesale!
Me, for example: I am of 100% Northern-European descent. Not one drop of Native American Indian
blood in my veins.
But I was born on this soil! That, makes me a technical American as much as anyone else is who lives
here.
I am a citizen, by birth-location.
So, restitution, is not possible, and you know it.
Theft of the pagan's land where churches sit, is not possible anymore.
Some restitutions cannot be made.
The fault is always the DOCTRINE OF MANIFEST DESTINY.
Whether it be a Political venue of acting this Doctrine out, or it be a Citizenship venue......where
you were born issue.
As described in my example of the American Indians/Property of the USA soil. (original
ownership).
Doctrine, was what cost the Indians this USA soil in the first place - a war of the Philosophies!
On one side:
Native American Indians = "No One can OWN The Land".
Versus:
Manifest Destiny = "White's Are Supreme Over All Mankind;made to be superior and rule the world by
virtue of our natural Superiority: Natural-rulership of this earth and it's citizens. We are born to
be Conqueors".
The Pagans cannot get back their land.
It is too late......
All we can reasonably do now is like in Golf:
"play it as it lays". |
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"Theft is after all a sin"...
Very witty; however, I disagree with you. Why? Because if that were to happen, then it would have
to happen for everything else that was supposedly "stolen". That would be a monumental task and it
would do more harm than not. Cultural clashes would be immense. No matter how you look at it, it
just doesn't seem logical to attempt.
BUT...you have a right to an opinion as do all of us. |
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As much as knocking over a few churches sounds fun I have no intention of helping any religion build
any sites of worship for any reason. Unless it’s to Jack Lord from Hawaii Five-O because I’m
pretty sure he is at least a demi-god. |
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For your information the city gives the church the permission to build there. |
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Christianity is actually based on Paganism! The entire Jesus Christ story is EXACTLY based on the
story told of the stars and the Lunar Calender! December 25th....The North Star shines brightly
over where the Three Kings (3 stars on Orions Belt) bring gifts to the birth (sunrise) of the new
SON (the SUN!) and then the sun is on a Cross and goes away for 5 days but is Reborn again ETC. |
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I have just returned from a trip to the states of Yucatan and Quintana Roo in southeast Mexico.
Every tiny town has a huge Catholic cathedral -- built by the conquistadores out of stones from
systematically destroyed Mayan temples.
In most instances, the churches were built on ground that was hallowed for the Indians, to encourage
the Maya to accept Catholicism as a viable religion, but mostly to brutally and symbolically assert
Spanish dominance. The conquerors also burned virtually all of the Mayan books, of which just three
remain.
As for whether those churches should be torn down and rededicated to the “pagan” gods, it’s a
nice, idealistic concept, but ultimately impractical, given the Mayans’ current dedication to
Catholicism.
However, the old gods are still worshipped; in Guatemala, I once saw an altarpiece that gave equal
billing to Christ, John the Baptist, and Chac Mool, the Mayan rain god! |
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The vast majority of Christian churches in Europe were not built on pagan "holy ground," since prior
to adopting Christianity, most of these areas were sparsely populated, if at all, and some of the
land was undiscovered. As an additional complication, the number of pagans in Europe is negligible
and the proportion of practicing Christians will always far outnumber the proportion of
self-declared pagans.
There is no legal basis behind the expropriation of churches by pagan groups, since they never
owned the land to begin with. Whether or not it is the moral duty of Christians to accommodate
pagans in this way is another matter.
If a group of pagans identify a specific plot of land owned by a church, a public institution or a
commercial establishment as holy ground, then I think that the owners of that land should consider
allowing these people to occasionally use it for prayer, meditation or for other spiritual
practices. |
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I think it kinda depends on what kind of church it is.
If the church is helping the community then, they should just be left there. |
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25 Feb 2008 00:15
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