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Being Against Further Immigration Into The UK Doesn't Make You A Racist.
We are at a critical period and further immigration will eventually cause terrible over-population problems. Many Britons agree with this but are scared to voice their view because of being labelled a racist. What do you think?
 chaew  04 May 2008 15:12
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It is amazing how often the word racist is abused, so much so that its very meaning is attenuated. When one discusses race it can be perceived as being racist, when you can’t speak of a subject it means that the realm of political correctness has interfered with common sense & logic. We are all part of a pluralistic society and people are entitled to their opinions, no matter how obtuse. Debates and discussions are arenas where people can engage in to candid discussions without fear that one’s frame of reference or credibility are impugned predicated on ones feeling or assertion that the person speaks from a frame of reference that is different from their own.
 
 rexray  17 Oct 2008 14:14
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I agree entirely. I am glad others do to. Political debate has been stiffled for too long by people screaming racist if the subject of immigration was ever raised. The reason it was this way is simple as I see it. This government lost control of immigration completely, even before they failed to realise how many Eastern Europeans would come to the UK as economic migrants once their countries joined the EU. Rather than admitting to their failings or resolving the problem it was easier to shout down those raising the issue with cries of racist.

Fortunately, and just in time, people are now brave enough to raise this debate without fear of being labelled a racist. Perhaps, as Hidell mentions, the immigrants are now white so it is not such a touchy subject. Sad that it has got so far, but I am thankful the topic is on the agenda before the BNP filled the void.
 
 StBalders  04 May 2008 21:31
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It's regrettable that serious debate on immigration is always stifled by the cheap accusations of racism. Of course, it's perfectly possible to think that your country is just fine the way it is, and doesn't need any more immigration, without being a racist. These accusations are particularly absurd in relation to immigration from Eastern Europe since the people coming from Eastern Europe are clearly white and therefore not members of a different race, unless someone wants to get into sub-classifications of white populations.
 
 Hidell  04 May 2008 18:24
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 Where has the UK suffered the most due to the current immigration? Economically? Culturally?
by  innomen
 04 May 2008 21:43
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I agree that questioning the increasing number of economic migrants from the accession states of the EU and whether the UK can sustain such unchecked numbers does not make anyone a racist.

There are those however(especially in some pockets of the news media) who make adverse and often inaccurate comments in relation to some economic migrants.

They get houses before locals; they take jobs off British workers and they get benefits from the State. These are untrue statements that are often being passed off as fact and these myths and others should be corrected at every opportunity.

When did you hear comments such as.. Send the French home, send the Italians etc home? The Poles have had stronger links with this country than many others who have their nationals resident here.

I have previously heard comments such as... (An assault)... It was the Eastern Europeans that did it.... The evidence clearly demonstrated the involvement of a local white male and not Eastern Europeans at all. This is when questions, debate and comment are in danger of spreading over into racism.
 
 pallan281  04 May 2008 15:36
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 I 100% agree with what you're saying. There is a fine line between agreeing with the above view and then crossing into racist territory.
by  chaew
 04 May 2008 15:40
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Although I don't at all think that being against immigration necessarily makes one a racist, the loudest proponents of closing the gates clearly are bigoted. The best example is the British National Party (BNP), which seems to have an obsession with the issue of immigration and likes to create videos on a regular basis, in which it tries to show how individual British communities have allegedly suffered due to the arrival of immigrants. The main targets of their propaganda are Muslims and Asians.

If this debate is primarily about the more than one million Eastern Europeans who have settled in the UK since 2004, then the discussion is misguided. No amount of public debate on immigration will stop the arrival of Eastern Europeans to the UK, since the free movement of people within the EU is one of the pillars of this supranational union, and this applies to the UK as well, even if it is not part of the Schengen Zone. So those who would like to halt the arrival of Eastern Europeans should first have a discussion on whether Britain should remain a member of the EU, rather than one on the merits of immigration itself.
 
 mackenzie  05 May 2008 07:51
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 You must have misread the question Mack. Or have I? I have taken the debate as "too much immigration". Would you have the same stance if read this way?

It doesn't make me a racist it merely means I have a common view to a racist on one particular issue. If Hitler thought that anchovies were nice on pizza I would have to agree with him. This is a massive difference and one that is constantly confused. By confusing it, the decent people who are concerned about the levels of immigration and politicians have been fearful of addressing the problem. This leaves underground murmurings of discontent that the BNP will capitalise on, they may be c***s but they are not stupid. Discuss the problem and the BNP are dead, let it fester and they will thrive.

This debate isn't just about those coming from Eastern Europe it is about the huge numbers putting strain on our infrastructure. People are people and there are too many of us in The UK. That is a fact and it is not racist to say so. I would gladly keep all the Poles or the Indians we have and turf out 2 million of the born and bred Brits who happily rely on on the welfare state purely because they are bone idle. As we can't do that we need to keep a lid on immigration, not have the free for all we have.

As I understand it Blair could have put measures in place to give us more control over immigration from the new EU countries, as other nations did, but failed to do so. Is this the case or am I mistaken. Labour estimated only 35000 would come, how wrong could you be? They screwed up again and called anyone racist who questioned their mistake.
Regardless the topic still needs to be discussed.
by  StBalders
 05 May 2008 09:50
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