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Based On The Bible, Followers Of Christ Should Try To "convert" Non-believers
I know followers of Christ are supposed to spread the gospel not only to the Jews but also the Gentiles. The gospel being the good news that Jesus died for them so they could have a place with God in Heaven. But in my reading of the Bible, I see hardly any attempts to convert non-believers to believing in God. I see many exhortations to believers about God. I don't see Jesus trying to prove anything to anyone. I see Jesus healing and offering himself to those who reach out to him. Sharing versus converting.
 justsumguy  30 Jul 2008 00:24
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Since you have "convert" in quotation marks I am not sure what you mean by it. Heres my take on it though and i thought it probably should be on the "for it" side.

Christians should share the word of God, the Good News. We should do this boldly. The Bible does mention attempts to convert non-believers many times. In fact, anyone that had not heard the "Good News" was at that time a nonbeliever because they didnt have the knowledge that Jesus Christ was the Son of God sent to die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. So in that sense, everyone is a nonbeliever until they learn that fact. That means when Paul stood at the temple of the unknown god and told the people there that he knows who the unknown God is. He was speaking to nonbelievers. He was spreading the Good News. He was reaching out to those who were not reaching to God. And isnt that the point of the Good News? Its about God reaching out to Man. The other religions are about Man reaching out to God. Thats what makes Christianity so unique. God reaching out to man. And God does use his people to do that sometimes.

That being said, I dont agree with forced conversions or trickery.
 
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 Give me the verses in the NT with regards to people who don't believe in God and "boldly" sharing the gospel to those who don't believe in God.

Give me two from Jesus himself.

Then explain the "casting of pearls before swine" to me.

Did you read my first response on the negative side? It explains my position.
by  justsumguy
 28 Sep 2009 04:34
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Yes but its just a book and thus if the Jewish book said the same thing then would Jews try to convert "non believers"?
 
 Smito  04 Aug 2008 23:23
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 yeah smito. I'm saying the book doesn't say to convert. I'm saying it says to share.
by  justsumguy
 05 Aug 2008 02:42
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Well.........its what the bible does say.

Me? I have never felt comfortable with the concept of stuffing my faith down anyone's throat.
It feels wrong to me, but I should probably be more interested in sharing my faith.

It just seems to private to talk that much to strangers about.
I don't like evangelism so much.
I am probably wrong in that.
But, that is how it seems to me.

Anyway, that's my thought on this topic.
 
 Scorpion  30 Jul 2008 04:09
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Well I'm Mormon and we have missionaries and are spreading the gospel.
 
 hb_26  30 Jul 2008 03:52
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 Yes, and like most, it is done both ways. Sharing in the humanities and knocking on my door while I'm trying to watch So You Think You Can Dance.
by  justsumguy
 30 Jul 2008 04:02
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The only two "evangelical" religions on earth are Christianity and Islam, and they are still fighting over who gets to "control" things. I'm not sure about Muslims, but there seems to be a debate in certain Christian circles over whether evangelizing is truly ordained or even necessary. Personally, I think there are examples of it in the bible, but not outright endorsement, and furthermore religion should be based upon attraction by your example, not outright salesmanship and coercion. This fighting could be the doom of us all, so I am against evangelism in all religions.
 
 grokit  29 Aug 2008 15:32
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I believe Christianity DOES require followers to talk to non-Christians about their beliefs. It was probably written into the original teachings because in the beginning Christianity was a fledgling spin-off of Judaism and it needed to gather followers. And clearly Jesus and his disciples believed intently on baptism and preaching their word. What I absolutely do NOT believe the Bible mandates is forcing your view on anyone else. You can put it out there, and you can inspire them by your good deeds, but you also have to be respectful to them and leave the choice up to them. That's the part where modern Bible thumpers fall down. They're so determined to tell the rest of us how sinful and mistaken we are, and to legislate their own religious views as universal for everyone, that they cross the line of being too forceful a lot of the time.

If you want to talk to me about religion we'll talk. If I make good points back at you please think about them and don't just expect this to be a one-sided discussion where I'm supposed to fold, repent, and become just like you. If you're strong in your religion then any tough questions I or others ask would not be a threat to you and what you believe.
 
 Grenache  30 Jul 2008 03:11
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 It seems to me followers of Christ are to be the salt of the earth. To let their light shine. It requires being true. Most of all it requires loving God with all your heart, all your mind and all your understanding and love thy neighbor as thyself.

When reading the Bible I'm missing the preaching part. The closest Jesus comes to preaching is when speaking to religious people who think they are righteous.

You mention talking to non-christians about their beliefs. Certainly christians should talk with non-christians about any decent thing the non-christian desires. But to threaten them? To challenge them?

Again, seems to me Jesus threatened and challenged the beliefs of the religious.

Yes, followers of Christ should always be in a place in their lives where they are ready to share their words, their thoughts and their actions with their neighbors.

But there is a difference between sharing the gift because its the greatest thing that could ever be conceived and doing it because it is our job to show the world they will be shunned by God if they don't believe us while we try and protect the worlds systems from the unbelievers. That simply has nothing to do with Christ.
by  justsumguy
 30 Jul 2008 03:55
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I don't think Jesus had a big thing about conversion mainly because he thought the end of the world was imminent and so there wouldn't really be enough time to convert the world. He didn't conceptualise christianity as having a 2000 year future history. He thought it would all come to an end long before that, in the lifetimes of the people then living, as he said in the magic book. It's obvious he wasn't exactly averse to it either, though. "Come with me and be a fisher of men". Wasn't that one of his lines?

That's also why his followers didn't bother writing his material down at first. It was only later, when they realised that the end of the world wasn't quite as imminent as they had expected it to be, that they started to write it down. Of course, Jesus the magic man was completely wrong. The world is still ticking away 2000 years later and the bible thumpers still expect it to end any minute. So, so sad.
 
 Hidell  30 Jul 2008 01:49
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 In my reading of the Bible I overlooked Jesus being concerned with the imminent end of the world. He was talking to fishermen when he said be fishers of men. I thought that was a kinda cool thing to say.

Bible thumpers and most other people who have lived on this planet are pretty much aware their death is imminent. 60-100 years or so at best. Frankly, the world ending isn't that big a deal for those who died today.

I appreciate your emotional response but I think it a bit theatrical. Kinda like bible thumpers talking about the end of the world.
by  justsumguy
 30 Jul 2008 02:04
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In my opinion, no, they shouldn’t. Live by the principles you want to, but don’t try to force it onto others. That’s how I’ve always viewed any similar situation like this. But then again, I’m not a Christian and I don’t go by Biblical code.
 
 Hizashi  30 Jul 2008 01:28
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 Your view matches what I see in the Bible regarding this issue.
by  justsumguy
 30 Jul 2008 01:37
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Christians should not go about converting non-Christians, nor should they proselytize. Instead, let Christians of all denominations turn their faith and their words into concrete action that benefits their immediate community and the world. If people see Christians as a positive force, both at the macro and micro level, then their view of Christendom would likely improve exponentially and some may even choose to convert or turn to religion for the first time.

Rather than distributing bibles and tracts on street corners, preaching in public places or going door-to-door, let the world see Christians at work. Let the world see them tending to those who government agencies and secular groups have forgotten about--let them tend to heroine and crack cocaine addicts, feed the homeless, speak out against all forms of discrimination, defy state authorities by sheltering refugees, illegal immigrants and people awaiting deportation in their churches, establish church-based anti-racism groups, promote socialized, universal health care and hold politicians to the fire when they fail to fight against injustice in our societies.
 
 mackenzie  30 Jul 2008 01:02
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 You had me by your side until you went political.
by  justsumguy
 30 Jul 2008 01:34
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I wonder what the world view on "Christianity" would be today if throughout history the "church" had shared it's message with people who were reaching out instead of spearheading it's message trying to convert those who didn't want to hear it?

I know the argument can be made that there have been many who fought against it and eventually accepted the message through the diligent efforts of a believer but I wonder if this acceptance would have been realized through the believer living a life of sharing.
 
 justsumguy  30 Jul 2008 00:38
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