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It all so interesting to think that atheists isn't all about both intellectual and moral revolt...
Personally, atheists is a revolt on moral and intelligent. Such examples, are of Charles Darwin
Theory of Evolution, and Scope Cases on human evolution and survival of the fittest. So atheists,
where the proof of a transitional evolution between a modern raptor and primeval Viracerator? Also,
where the proof in history and science that could explain events in the bible, if you all had read
the book? |
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I agree Charlee. The intellectual side will always be debated, but the moral side is very important.
Our set of morals don't allow room for a God, whereas yours do. It's God that defies our desired way
of life. Good observation. |
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Not all nonbelievers are this way. I think for many they have suffered hardship, such as loss of a
child and simply cannot understand let alone forgive a God who would let such a thing happen.
However, from Epicurus to Nietzsche to Russell, Harris, Hutchens, Dawkins and the like it is
primarily this psychological motive for their resistance to the notion of God.
Now Harris/Hutchens/Dawkins-ism is a bit more cowardly than full blown Nietzsche-ism. Nietzsche saw
clearly that no God eventually would mean "anything is permissable". It may take a few generations
but Nietzsche was like a prophet in this area.
Harris/Hutchens/Dawkins provide more of a limited "liberation" from an objectionable "old man in a
long beard". This is a liberation that is most tempting for all of us--it is the liberation of the
pelvic/sex organ domain.
The religion of Harris et al provides us with the sacraments of orgasm, adultery, fornication,
abortion on demand, infanticide (check out Peter Singer), and euthanasia.
So, it is not that atheists like these guys are the only ones who do bad things in the sexual arena
(we all sin) but that they desire to anesthetize their consciences and have no accountability.
Atheism is a false hiding place for these folks. |
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Seems like a plausible incentive to disbelieve in God. |
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Yes, I agree. They don't want God to exist, it's as simple as that. Well, put. |
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 Mark  18 May 2008 16:32
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I generally believe that religion is used as a control method and that people who do not believe are
not rising up in moral revolt but the repression that can be caused by religion. |
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I used to be an Atheist, so therefore, I have an understanding of what it consists of.
As opposed to a person who has not been there, you see...;-)
Atheism is, primarily, one of intellectualism:
I.e. The observation that person's praying are speaking to the thin air; i.e., to no one visible.
To the thinking mind, this presents a basic challenge:
"WHY"............;-)
When an atheist, all the many Christians I interviewed as to their REASONS why they believed in God,
most came to the point of tears. Only one person, an intelligent man, had rationality as a tool with
which to explain why there is a God, and had many rational reasons as to why.
While I did not begin to embrace the concept of a God from just his debate, it did open a door to
discovery of it.
Science book is what actually did the trick for me.....;-)
(Surprisingly enough.....Yes.)
Science, is why I know there IS a God.
But? It was my art-class that "SCREAMED" (so to speak), of the existence of God.
These two events coinciding at approximately the same time-frame: 1983. |
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Atheism isn't even a revolt, its a revolution against oppression, an oppression of your mind, your
actions, and your life. Religion hinders all of these, and atheism is a freeing agent, and way of
escaping this god controlled prison for a life all your own. |
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But it's BOTH.
It's an intellectual "revolt" because it frees humankind from the mental oppression of religion and
sets them about finding other answers and other ways. This leads to things like the Constitution of
the U.S. And eliminating smallpox.
And it is a moral "revolt" because it gives individuals back their natural rights which had been
usurped by the Church.
But I must object to your characterization of atheism as a choice. For me, at least, the moment
actually happened in Scriptures class. I was unaware of atheism at the time -- how does one choose
something one is not familiar with? And far from looking for ways to "avoid a stern judge", I was
questioning the teacher, trying to glean more knowledge (this was 4th grade and the other kids had
gone out to recess, but i had stayed behind to learn more).
It was during this discussion that she used some phrase or other, I don't remember now, which for
the first time put in my head the concept that all of this might be just stories.
It was like a flash bulb went off in my head. I can only describe it as an epiphany. THE ONLY WAY
ALL OF THIS MAKES SENSE IS IF IT'S ALL STORIES.
My atheism wasn't a choice. It was an awakening. |
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Atheists simply don't think that the idea of a guy in the sky makes sense (which it doesn't)
Atheism is all about believing in science (proven fact, or at the least fact that attempts to be
proven) over dogma and doctrine and traditional thought.
And atheists do have morals. Morals are what you believe is right or wrong, or in a gray area. Yes,
there are religious morals which religious people follow. There are also morals followed by non
religious people (no killing under most circumstances, no stealing under most circumstances, no
rape, etc)
The thing about atheists is, even though they tend to have less morals than religious people, they
rarely don't follow their own morals (which would be hypocritical) |
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I think that you are confusing atheism, or not believing in God, with a denial of religious
dogmatics. Only in religion are there moral values that deny our true nature as human beings.
Spirituality does not and as a spiritualist, I certainly cannot deny the existence of a higher power
whom I chose to call God. My god allows me a full expression of my humanity. I am able to decide
what works for me and what doesn't. I often chose to agree w/ societal constraints. Some laws are
not a bad idea.(Thou shall not kill, steal, rape, etc..) Probably more harm done by not consistently
enforcing these "rules" IE the rich and famous, as then some become disillusioned and then blame the
system that is, believe it or not, designed to serve us. I believe that an atheist can have
"higher" moral standards than MANY religious people. So can non-religious people. Religion or lack
of does not necessarily determine ones VALUES. |
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