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All Youth Should Be Made To Join A Cadet Organisation
Specifically I'm talking about the UK organisations (ATC, ACF, SCC) but that's only because I don't know enough about the others overseas. Anyway, cadet organisations teach leadership, discipline, co-operation and initiative as well as giving young people confidence, a sense of belonging and of course a good time.
 Carl  04 May 2008 17:30
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I completely for it. If you join it teaches you discipline and respect for others which is good.
 
 higack  25 May 2008 23:52
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I've got to be honest: What this debate title sounds like is the command that led to Hitler Youth.

All those things you described are wonderful things, except to someone forced into it against his or her will. Not all people are the same and some people need quiet time and privacy more than anything else. You know, people like Mozart who wouldn't have been composing symphonies in his teens if someone had been forcing him to clean up beaches and make birchbark canoes.

I think western society, especially in these uneasy multicultural times, needs to make a concerted effort to re-teach its citizens the precious importance of personal liberty.
 
 OzzieMan  03 Jun 2008 07:14
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 Fair enough. I've got to admit, my views have changed a bit since I posted this debate but it still stands as a good talking point.
by  Carl
 03 Jun 2008 16:41
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Cadet organisations teach obedience above all, and turn out zombies willing to do whatever the guy above them in the hierarchy tells them to do. That's not a good thing. A society full of people who can think for themselves is better than a crop of zombies. The veneration of uniforms, and military or pseudo-military hierarchies, is dangerous and, ultimately, corrosive of democracy.

Cadet organisations appeal to weak-minded people who are unable to function well on their own, but instead need the constant flow of reinforcement and approval that they find in a group context. In a deep sense, it represents a regression to infancy by those who find adult life, with its vast spectrum of bewildering choices, difficult and overpowering.
 
 Hidell  06 May 2008 15:21
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 1) Cadet organisations teach initiative and free-thinking. Obedience to superiors does not come at the cost of free will.

2) Not the veneration of uniforms and military, but pride in those who fight for us. Truth be told, pride in the military is not something that is taught or forced upon cadets.

3) Cadet organisations appeal to those who can think on their feet and those who are responsible, not "weak minded people who unable to function well on their own." You think cadets are baby-sitted through everything they do? Quite the opposite.

4) "Constant flow of approval" is rubbish. If saomething is done well, there is recognition. If something is done poorly, there is support. If there is deliberate, uncalled for disobidence, there is punishment. Just how it is (or should be) in real life.

5) It does not represent a "regression to infancy". Thinking literally, it provides fun and enjoyment for young people 13-18. Adult life? These cadets are no more than children. And there is obviously a life outside cadets. Would you call Scouts a "regression to infancy"? Or any sort of youth organisation?

Where have you got your information? Perhaps you went to a cadet organisation and had a poor experience. If so, where was it. Or perhaps you base your argument from pure opinion, with no experience of what you are talking about.
by  Carl
 06 May 2008 17:33
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...ur craze
 
 lkm709  04 May 2008 23:16
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Oh great idea Carl. I mean who was the last person to think along these lines? Oh yes, his name was Adolf Hitler and he wanted all German youngsters to join the Hitler Youth Organisation. Although it can be good for some, it is not for everyone. Making it compulsory would turn it into something more like school which I'm sure you would be against Carl.
 
 chaew  04 May 2008 17:38
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 The last point's a fair one. But always with the Hitler d00d!
by  Carl
 04 May 2008 17:40
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Hell no! People can learn those things in everyday life! Cadets are good for some *cough* Dan *cough* but not everyone needs to be "taught" those things. I am 100% against the compulsory joining of cadet organisations.
 
 Jakers  04 May 2008 17:34
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 But these are things that are missing in the youth of today! (Well, exception above).
by  Carl
 04 May 2008 17:37
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