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In my opinion, abortion is a very personal and often difficult choice that should remain with the
woman who has to make that decision. None of us knows what that woman is thinking or why she may
feel she cannot carry a baby to term at the time she makes this choice. People seem to agree that
abortion to save the life of the mother is ok...at least most people agree on that. I don't
understand why those same people do not realize the risks of pregnancy and delivery. The woman is
at a higher risk carrying a baby to term than she is when she aborts.
Stating that someone is irresponsible and must face consequences for an unwanted pregnancy is just
wrong. We all take risks in life. Some involve others directly and others might affect others
indirectly, but we do take them. We might look at choosing not to wear a seatbelt as only harming
ourself in the event of an accident. What about family members and friends who will mourn if the
accident is a fatal one and a seatbelt would have made a difference in the outcome? People drink
and drive. We all know how bad that is, but many people who are normally good and decent people
with no criminal record or history of substance abuse have misjudged their level of intoxication.
Since it is illegal to drink and drive, those people will face legal consequences, but once they
have paid their debt to society, if they are someone who truly made a terrible error in judgement
most of us would not refuse to befriend them or emotionally torture them for the rest of their
lives. Yet, when a woman has an abortion, she has to spend the rest of her life hearing that she
has committed murder. She has not committed murder, but so many people want to call abortion murder
that I can only imagine how some women who already deal with guilt and sadness must feel when they
are also confronted with statements that they have murdered a baby.
I don't know how a woman finds the strength to put a child up for adoption. I am adopted and I know
that it is something that I could not do. When my daughters were born, I loved them so very much
and I can't even picture giving them up even if I had not wanted them at that time in my life. I
can see how someone could choose to terminate an early pregnancy. They do not become emotionally
attached to the same degree that someone who is pregnant by choice.
I see some people who think women who have gotten pregnant as a result of rape should be forced to
have the baby. If one has not been in this situation, I think they should reserve judgement. No one
knows how they would truly feel if it happened to them. Rape is violent and the woman is
traumatized. I can't imagine being raped, let alone having to have the rapist's child. I think for
myself, I might be able to have the baby and look at that as the only positive in a negative
situation, but we do not all think alike and, since I have not been in that situation, that is only
what I believe my feelings would be.
It is not fair to judge others. We all do things that we shouldn't do or wish that we had not done.
None of us is perfect and we could all benefit from looking inward instead of focusing our
attention on what others are doing and how we feel about it. If the time spent pointing fingers and
making the actions of others our main concern went towards self improvement, I think we would all be
better off. There will always be a need to debate certain topics, but we can do so without harsh
words and demeaning statements. In the debate below me, I see the word idiot with an exclaimation
mark after it. Even if our beliefs differ, we do not have to resort to name calling and attempts to
make people feel shame, guilt and disgrace. |
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Abortion is Bad Because It Means Sex Without Consequences
The rhetoric of anti-choice activists usually focuses on the fetus and the premise that a fetus has
the same moral status as a child or adult - therefore, abortion is murder. Are the policies
advocated by these activists consistent with this premise, though? If this is what they really
believe, shouldn't we expect their actions and agenda to be consistent with their beliefs?
Alas has a nice chart showing which of the policies of the anti-choice activists are consistent with
“abortion is wrong because it is murder” and which are consistent with “abortion is wrong
because women shouldn’t be allowed to have sex without consequences.” Guess what? Almost all the
policy positions in question are more consistent with the latter than with the former, including:
Abortion bans which provide exceptions for rape and incest.
Advocating less generous welfare for poor single mothers.
Opposing a vaccine for the human papilloma virus (HPV).
Morally condemning extremists who bomb abortion clinics.
Alas was inspired by Molly, who has “Twenty Questions” for people who want to make abortion
illegal:
1) Should women who abort get life sentences in prison and/or the death penalty?
2) If a woman’s husband knows she is aborting, should he be charged as an accessory to murder?
3) How about her friends who know?
4) Should abortion doctors receive life sentences in prison and/or the death penalty?
12) If an electric company has a power failure which cuts power to a fertility clinic, thawing
embryos and rendering them unusable, should they be liable for mass murder?
17) Should a person with 15 frozen embryos in storage be required to carry each embryo as soon as
possible?
18) If I had 15 embryos in storage, should I be able to claim them as dependents on my tax
paperwork?
20) Should one in three American women be imprisoned or sentenced to death?
In the responses to this and another post, she received evidence of something she had long suspected
to be true: Criminalization of abortion is advocated not for the sake of the life of the fetus, but
for the sake of forcing women to “take responsibility” for having sex by not allowing her to
avoid the negative consequences that might result from sex.
If it was really about life, forced organ donation would be mandatory for living people who had
organ matches with other living people. If it was really about life, every single anti-abortion
person would have said that 1/3 of American women (that’s the number who’ve had abortions, folks
-- and it’s worth noting that in the early 20th century this proportion was higher, not lower) are
murderers who should be given the penalty for premeditated murder.
But what I did see, over and over, were people saying that there should be “responsibility.”
That when you have sex, you know there is a finite chance it will result in pregnancy. That was the
difference most people complained about in the forced organ donation questions -- that in one case,
you are responsible for a life.
Guess what that means? It means it’s NOT ABOUT LIFE. If abortions should be illegal but there
should not be forced marrow donations from living donors, the distinction isn’t one of life,
it’s one of responsibility.
Of course, the whole “take responsibility” argument is also nonsense because people never, or
almost never, use it in other circumstances. We all know that you’re safer if you wear a seat belt
while in a car, but we don’t deny medical treatment to someone who is injured after not wearing a
seat belt, do we? We don’t say “you knew that you could be injured if you didn’t wear your
seat belt, so just take responsibility for your choices and bleed.”
Why don’t we use this line of argument generally? Because “taking responsibility” has never
been an objection to trying to avoid foreseeable consequences to our actions. Everything we do
carries risks of consequences which we’d rather not deal with. Most are small; some are large. In
all cases, we take basic precautions to avoid them. If the negative consequence happen anyway, we
take steps to deal with them. Does this mean that we aren’t taking responsibility? Of course not
— that’s absurd.
But that's just what anti-choice activists appear to be arguing in the context of abortion. |
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To an extent I agree, if people don't want a child then they should be more responsible. I don't
think abortion can ever be called good.
However in the case of rape and such circumstances or the mother is in danger, I would say that it
is appropriate that it is in place and necessary. |
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Why? Because they're stupid, or selfish or just don't care.
I really don't know why you need to ask them why...you, like most of the others that like to put
them through hell seem to know what make them all tick.
Their mistake.
I know what I would do in their place. I would do what I thought best and tell everyone else to kiss
my butt and go worry about their own mistakes. The ones they hide from everyone so they don't have
to go through the scrutiny of others.
I know what I would say to them. Know God. Love God. Do what God wants you do and remember what
Jesus thought of those who were pointing to others mistakes while accusing them based on BELIEFS
that were wrong.
That's what I would say. |
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I think what should happen with abortion is to handle it like loans; give it out to only certain
people. If you are completely rich, had unprotected sex because you're too stupid to know of
contraceptives, and got pregnant, you should keep that child and face the consequences of your
idiotic actions. If you're too lazy and too much of a sissy, there's always adoption. But if you
are dirt poor and having the baby would cause extreme medical conditions between you and the baby, I
think it's only logical to have an abortion. Scientifically speaking, you are not a human at the
average time an abortion is performed. I personally don't believe you have a soul. Since there are
no destinies, you're not getting rid of a fixed life that could help you (or condemn you). Lastly,
embryos can't feel pain or understand their situation, so it's up to you. And based on the person's
own beliefs, which are protected by the constitution, they can come up with their own conclusion
what to do and you can't tell them that they're wrong. God does not judge you by your actions but
your intentions behind those actions. |
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I don't agree that it is right however I am going to be on the for it side just due to the fact that
your freedom of choice should be protected and hat doesn't make it right but every situation is
different and something this sensitive should not be categorized. The death sentence is exorcised
all over the world from infants to women who are married but raped. They are punished for adultery.
And that's not fair. But who is ultimately to judge? HMMM? |
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I believe that abortion is your own personal choice. What if you were dying and you didn't want the
baby to die the way you were? Why not abort it? Or if you are raped and pregnant with his child.
Sure, the baby could help you find the person and lock them up but do you seriously want to do that
for nine months? And what are you going to do with it afterwards? Put it up for adoption? Idiot!
But if you get pregnant from unprotected sex, it's your fault. Therefore, you should have to take
care of the child, not put it up from adoption or abort it. It's your fault, take care of it! And
not by getting rid of the child. |
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I agree kinda but if its an inconvience then you gotta do what u gotta do.. |
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That's based solely on opinions. |
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Not at all stupid person -_- |
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A fetus is a parasite, sucking strength and sustenance from the mother, compromising the woman's
health and life. A baby likewise demands nourishment and nurture.
Women historically have evaluated the risk-benefit ratio of a particular pregnancy in terms of its
affect on quantity or quality of their other possible progeny. Inducing an early abortion would be
preferable to giving birth and abandoning the baby to die.
Thus, termination of a pregnancy in times of famine or chaos, impregnation by a genetically inferior
male, or a male who provided no resources, benefited individual women's genetic contribution and
society as a whole. |
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Please, pick another topic. There is a fundamental flaw with making absolute statements like
"Abortion is bad;" you're bound to be proven wrong. Why is abortion a bad thing when birthing a
child might kill a would-be mother? Would you tell that would-be mother to risk her life or would
you abort the baby?
I believe that when people speak out against abortion, they use the same old tired line; "abortion
is just a lazy person's easy way out" or "they should've wrapped it up but they were too stupid"
which exaggerates the entire conversation and forces the argument into a tiny and pointless
bottleneck.
The fact of the matter is, there are cases where a person has the choice to decide whether or not
abortion is right for them. If you were impregnated against your will or birthing the baby might
kill you, I believe you have the right to make whatever decision you feel would be the best. Bottom
line. |
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There is Only one reason to abort a pregnancy, and that is if the life of the mother is in danger,
If you are stupid enough to get your self in that condition then you should deal with the
consequences, there are no end of contraceptives not to mention emergency
contrseption.
Also in the case of forced sexual contact all rape kits along with STI testing you receive an
emergency contraception pill. So really no excuse to murder a child.
If some stupid girl had unprotected sex and then forwent emergency contraception and felt she could
not handle the responsibility of a child then there is always adoption.
With life there are always possibilities and a chance to be accepted in to a family that can not
have children and desire one so much , a chance to be loved and wanted by some one who really
care.
What right dose any one have to pass a death sentence to an innocent unborn child? |
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